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21.Sep.1999 Andreas Falkenhahn per eMail |
Rainboot Bootconfiguration News Andreas Falkenhahn writes: The Airsoft homepage actually gives a screenshot of every Rainboot bootconfiguration. So you can review your configuration before downloading it. Too bad you cant hear the many excellent sounds played during the booting. (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
21.Sep.1999 Jeffrey Webster in csam |
Poll for Phoenix and Amiga Inc. Titlelink gives a poll concerning Phoenix and Amiga Inc. (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
21.Sep.1999 Marius Schwarz in dcsam |
Escena PPC-Board To Be Shown In Cologne Refering to Marius Schwarz in csam, Escena plans to finish their PPC-board until the Cologne Exhib this year. Now they 're all busy with finishing the G4 supporting board, so they didn't have time to update their homepage. (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
21.Sep.1999 Aaron Digulla in aros-user |
AROS:State Of Developement Of The IBM Version The code to build AROS standalone (to boot an IBM compatible PC) is now much better integrated into the rest of the system. After boot, AROS opens a VGA screen (no use of the text mode just like on the Amiga) and you are in SAD. When the console is finished (should be just a couple of hours to finish... if someone has the time and the knowledge ?), we will have a new Amiga based on PC hardware. (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
21.Sep.1999 AmiDog |
New Version 1.23 AmiDogs MoviePlayer New: Microsoft RLE8 (8bit) AVI codec supported, audio speed significantly improved. Download: AMP123.lha (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
21.Sep.1999 AWD |
ZDNet: ITG shopping list: Communications, consumer electronics More rumors. An article speculates about a cooperation between Amiga and IBM. Another potentially major customer is Gateway Inc. The North Sioux City, S.D., company's Amiga division is developing a wide range of information appliances, including game players and Web access devices. A deal with Amiga would be a boost to ITG's plan to enable "pervasive computing." Gateway already has a cross-licensing agreement with IBM, but Gateway officials wouldn't say what the deal covers. Neither party would comment on a potential deal with Amiga. (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
21.Sep.1999 Czech Amiga News |
Uninstaller Version 2 released Uninstaller Version 2 released. (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
21.Sep.1999 Czech Amiga News |
Frogger Version 1.3.1b Video MPEG player Frogger is a Video MPEG player for Amiga PowerUP systems. Required is a PowerPC or 68k CPU with FPU, AHI, min. 4 MB free FastRAM, and of course a MPEG for playback (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
21.Sep.1999 |
Game News Digital Images: New URL: http://www.di-games.co.uk Lambda: State Of Developement And Screenshots Pagan Games: Scavengers: Work in Progress ... Apex Designs: New Screenshots of "Payback" DDE: New Screenshots of "Diablo's Land" Darkage Software: 2D-Graphican Federico Rutenberg is aboard (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
21.Sep.1999 ZDNet |
ZDNet: Apple has no G4-Chips CNet: Apple stumbles, warns of lower earnings Apple is going to deliver less G4 systems than expected, because they have too few G4 chips. Reading these news our only hope is that phase5 have their sheep dry. (ps) [News message: 21. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 CNet |
CNet: Gateway's AMD decision reflects changing battle Gateway seems to have entered a period of base decisions. The message has so far not been confirmed by either AMD nor Gateway, but it seems the chip question has been answered in favour of Intel. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Janne Siren by eMail |
Pictures from Saku 99 Pictures from Saku 99. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Jürn C. Schulze by eMail |
AmigaFanatic: My dream died On September 21st, the author removed the pages from the web server. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Robin Burmberger by eMail |
Tip: BVisionPPC with Overlay Andreas Burmberger writes: I have a little tip for BVision users who want to watch MPEG videos a little bit faster, with Overlay. To achieve this, you have to enter in the BVision monitor driver's tooltypes VLAYER=DESTRUCTIVE, and save it. The cgxvideo.library must be installed, and after a reset, the BVision can use the Overlay function with Frogger and IsisPPC. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Achim Klopsch by eMail |
FAQ with hints and tips for iBrowse2 FAQ with hints and tips for iBrowse2. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Andreas Falkenhahn by eMail |
Rainboot new version 2.67 At the Airsoft Softwair Homepage, Rainboot v2.67 has been released. This version offers mainly bugfixes, but also some nice GUI improvements (especially with the USEDEFAULTS argument). (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Christian Runda by eMail |
SFS new version 1.78 available Download: SFS178.lha (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Jan Andersen by eMail |
VirusChecker II Brain Update Version 2.20 Name: VirusChecker II brain 2.20 Archive name: vhtvb220.lha Archive size: 63.502 bytes Date: 19. September 1999 Programmer: Alex van Niel Requires: VirusChecker V2.3 (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Markus Ketterl by eMail |
Yahoo News: No multimedia console by Microsoft? (IBN) Microsoft denied reports of the software giant cooperating with Intel, Dell and Gateway as well as graphics specialist Nvidia to build a multimedia console. American and British computer magazines have reported about the project dubbed "X-Box" and Windows CE. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 CUCUG |
The Status Register 9/99 In the latest issue of the Status Register, Kevin Hopkins looks at the latest happenings at Gateway and Iwin, and Gary Peake speaks about Bill McEwen's leaving. Additionally, there are recent Amiga news and articles about the G4 (Apple). (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Czech Amiga News |
ANews in print again Starting with the September issue, French Amiga print magazine ANews is again available from stores and abonement. The last issue was Nr. 120, April/May 1999. The magazine is created on Amigas with PageStream, and offers an easy usable cover CD. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Czech Amiga News |
PerSuaSiVe SoftWorX with new post address The new (snail-mail) address is: PerSuaSiVe SoftWorX Andreas R. Kleinert Am Kornberg 48 D-57076 Siegen Germany (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Czech Amiga News |
Pagan wants 2D graphicians For the 2D role playing game Bloodline, Pagan is looking for graphic artists. Aside from the Bloodline pages, the pages of Scavengers and Magcik have been expanded by further information and graphics. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Czech Amiga News |
GoldED Studio 6.2.0 For owners of GoldEd 5 and 6.x.x, Dietmar Eilert has released the V6.2.0 Update. The most important change is the improved interface for syntax parsing. Generic syntax parser are now supported. The 1.02 MB update can be downloaded from the Service Pack-Site (two different servers). This update does not work with the demo version of GoldEd. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Czech Amiga News |
NetConnect 3 Active Technologies announced NetConnect 3 for September 29th. The NetConnect CDs contain a collection of Internet software. The current V2.3 contains, among others: - AmiTCP-Genesis - VoyagerNG - Microdot-II - AmFTP - AmIRC - AmTelnet - AmTerm - NetInfo - AmTalk - X-Arc (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Czech Amiga News |
AmigaAMP v2.7 BETA-6 Version 2.7 Beta-6 of the MP3-player is available for Download (408KB). Some bugs, previously discussed on the mailing list, have been removed. (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
20.Sep.1999 Czech Amiga News |
New STRICQ 0.1515 Beta Download (ps) [News message: 20. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
18.Sep.1999 Robert Wahnsiedler by eMail |
To: The Amiga Community At Slashdot.org, a user with the nick Rusty has posted a satire on the Open Letters to the "Community": Amiga Announces "Cloud 1.0". (ps) [News message: 18. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
18.Sep.1999 Heise [Newsticker] |
Heise: Motorola promises G5 PowerPC with 2 GHz (Title link is German article) (ps) [News message: 18. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
18.Sep.1999 The Amiga Alternative Audio Page |
Audio: RA and Lame now combined on one website RealAudio and Lame are now combined on one site. New at the site is a SoX sound converter. Download: SoX.lzx. (ps) [News message: 18. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
18.Sep.1999 Chip online |
Chip online: Amiga is dead, long live Amiga! Chip online writes: "The Amiga will not be revived as planned. Instead of hardware and operating system, the company will now concentrate on the development of multimedial and Internet software running on a multitude of operating systems." (ps) [News message: 18. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
18.Sep.1999 Stefan Martens by eMail |
Amiga User List Stefan Martens writes: Due to the really stupid statement by Amiga I decided to close down my Amiga User List on September 30th. Until then, users can enter themselves on my homepage. Shortly afterwards, the last version is released a final time, and THAT'S IT. But one thing is clear, I will stay with Amiga. It's just that I see no sense in the list anymore when many registered users are no longer Amiga users. (ps) [News message: 18. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
18.Sep.1999 Jan Andersen by eMail |
VirusExecutor Update Version 1.83 Name: VirusExecutor v1.83 Archive name: ve-183.lha Archive size: 119.903 bytes Date: 18. September 1999 Programmer: Jan Erik Olausen System: OS 2.0x or better (ps) [News message: 18. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
18.Sep.1999 Robin Burmberger by eMail |
OS 3.5 mentioned in 3D Live Magazine Robin Burmberger writes: I am Raytracer, and always buy the 3D Live Magazine. In the latest issue, at "new products", there is a report about the new Amiga OS 3.5. They write about the filesystem, the hd size etc. How nice to read about the Amiga in magazines like this. (ps) [News message: 18. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
18.Sep.1999 Colin-Stewart Bridge Deady by eMail |
KOSH summary 26 After KOSH has resolved the problems with the DNS entry, and the mailing lists have been reactivated, we are again supplied with the summaries from the MLs. The KOSH website is available again. The URL is www.gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk/kosh/. KOSH [Kommunity Orientated Software Hardware] Weekly Summary Week Commencing: 11th September 1999 Number: 026 Mailing List: kosh-general@icon2.iconimaging.net In the mailing list this week, the following items were discussed. I'm happy to receive comments on this summary (and corrections if I have made mistakes). Email me (Bridge) at kosh-scribe@mythicz.u-net.com Well it has been a while - the last summary was in June when kosh.net vanished. We now have access to the same kosh-general mailing list but it is located at kosh-general@icon2.iconimaging.net which in fact is the same as "kosh.net". On that note it is important to a) send messages to the icon2 address and b) when replying to messages check your "Send to:" field to make sure it says icon2 as it has a habit of filling in "kosh.net" which doesn't work (this has been demonstrated on a number of email packages). kosh-general@iconimaging.net also works now but the above is still relevant for people replying to older messages. I am also posting summary 25 with this one (in a separate file in case you want to avoid it!) as a reminder of what was going on back in June. Anyway, on with the show! a) Subject: KOSH is back! Summary of debate: It never really went away, it just went a bit quiet for a while. Please note the following items for KOSH: 1) Email address is kosh-general@icon2.iconimaging.net (read the introduction above for more information) BUT kosh-general@iconimaging.net works without all the problems described above so try this instead if you are creating new mail (thanks to Jason Radford for fixing this). 2) The KOSH website is located on a mirror at http://www.gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk/kosh/index.html 3) The KOSH booklist remains at http://www.snowcrash.u-net.com/kosh/booklist.html and is well worth a look through. 4) If you have a query such as "where did that bit of KOSH info go?" then please email me (Bridge) at kosh.scribe@mythicz.u-net.com and I'll either have it to hand or know someone that does. b) Subject: New method for summaries Summary of debate: An alternative interactive internet based way of producing summaries is being looked at. The beginnings of this can be seen at http://www.tele2.co.uk/~flump/kosh/ and mention on the ML of things like Perl and Mason has occurred. c) Subject: Second user survey draft Summary of debate: This is where we left off back in June discussing the User Summary that Greg and co were working on. I'm leaving summarising it off of this summary as it sort of took over back in June and I'm going to keep this summary general:P Suffice to say all is progressing well. Thank to Greg for getting this one started again. d) Subject: 3D+ data manipulation Summary of subject: A bit back I was discussing with Greg Webb and John Chandler my ideas for 3D data manipulation. At the moment we all have cosy spreadsheets that let you enter data on the x and y planes (columns and rows). However in every day usage I find this constricting as I need a visual (and not just mathematical) way to place data on x,y and z planes. While this can be done with conventional spreadsheets just about if you have to y-axis on the resulting graphs it hardly makes for perfection. The idea is that perhaps apps in KOSH can be written to take 3D (or more - although changes over time normally gets stuck on the x-axis in conventional spreadsheets) data sets and be able to view them on screen, rotating through them, using pan, scan and zoom to be able to view the whole thing in any way you want. Now this may only be possible in a "3d" or holographic monitor - but maybe not as the eye can easily be tricked. It was suggested that there may be people out there that actually need nD data manipulation tools - and this could well be a killer app for KOSH. e) Subject: RF bugs KOSH? Summary of debate: A way to make computers transmit RF information by executing code to put data on a bus in a certain pattern has been figured out. The potential for using this to bug people's machines with nothing more complicated than a small software agent and a cheap radio could well be a real problem for KOSH if we decide to implement this type of technology (and why not - after all KOSH is inclusive). What sort of steps could we take to plug this potential problem but still allow this technology to be used in KOSH? It was suggested that a system of public and private keys could be used to plug this hole as a transmitting system would have to send an underlying carrier wave containing a valid key for the recipient machine to "listen" and act on the main message. f) Subject: EROS Summary of debate: An interesting URL of http://www.eros-os.org was mentioned which people may want to take a look at. g) Subject: IMPORTANT! All KOSH Working group progress managers and maintaners please read. Summary of debate: A direct cross-list post from Greg that is important for the above to read: We seem to be having difficulties contacting our working group progress manager and maintainer of our supporters list, so we haven't been able to get up-to-date information on either for some time. If you're involved with a working group or have registered your interest as a supporter and are not shown here then please get in touch so we can update the necessary details. The relevant page to check whether you're registered is http://www.gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk/kosh/kommunity/index.html and I'd appreciate any resulting information coming in to me. Thanks, Greg h) Subject: Open KOSH Summary of debate: Following an idea myself and others had on the nature of KOSH towards other competing systems, Greg Webb (yep it's that man again!) has compiled an article on this. The general jist is that if KOSH is open about its weaknesses as well as its strengths particularly when at computer shows then we will generate a more honest atmosphere with users whom KOSH is designed to serve (and not control unlike certain other systems out there). To demonstrate openness, an example given is that at a computer show we could line up several computers running (for example) AmigaOS, KOSH, Linux, Windows and MacOS and then demonstrate each to its full potential. The conclusion hopefully will be that KOSH is better than the rest for the user to get the "thing" to do what they want. However if KOSH fouls up and another system turns out better at performing a particular function we admit this openly and go away and fix the problem on KOSH. See the KOSH URL for the full interesting text (and it does make a good read - some very thought provoking things in there). i) Subject: KOSH and Convergence International Summary of debate: John Chandler has given a short KOSH update to James Sears for inclusion in the next Convergence international newsletter. James has offered assistance to KOSH to get around the kosh.net DNS problem (thanks James). j) Subject: Re-announcing KOSH Summary of debate: If anyone has -any- computer contacts that they can email to say "KOSH is back at and " then please do so. Only thing is that we may want to coordinate this as we could end up bombarding some unsuspecting person. I've emailed Amiga Format (Ben Vost) and am contacting Petra Struck of http://www.amiga-news.de . John has contacted Convergence International (see above). Can anyone else offer up other contacts? k) Subject: Fleecy's Lentil Summary of debate: Fleecy Moss and John Karcher are working on Lentil which (I think from my limited understanding) is a logical and formal language being developed due to reservations about IDL. They are currently designing a Java tool that allows entities to be designed and maintained. More details to follow in the fullness of time. l) Subject: Dave Haynie and the Object Sea Summary of debate: Someone emailed me and told me Dave is still working on the above which is a jolly good thing. (For those doubters out there - see KOSH is coming back to life after... well not really dying in the first place). m) Subject: KOSH Owls Summary of debate: Gary Peake of http://www.OwlNet.net offered the email address kosh-list@owlnet.net (thanks Gary). I don't know if this is up and running or if we are sticking with icon2. Watch this space for more info next week hopefully. n) Subject: KOSH FAQs Summary of debate: Greg Webb has written some but more are needed on anything related (or vaguely related) to KOSH. Offers of assistance to greg@gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk please. o) Subject: Multiprocessing KOSH Summary of debate: A direct quote from Greg here which is interesting: Amiga.org are reporting that there's a patent application from Amiga Development on IBM's patents server covering multiprocessor bits: At least two clusters of CPUs are present in a multiprocessor computer system. Each CPU cluster has a given number of CPUs, each CPU having an associated ID such as an ID number. An additional ID number, not associated with a CPU in the same cluster, is associated with the opposite CPU cluster that appears to the original cluster as a "phantom" processor. A round-robin bus arbitration scheme allows ordered ownership of a common bus within a first cluster until the ID reaches the "phantom" processor, at which time bus ownership passes to a CPU in the second cluster. This arrangement is preferably symmetric, so that when a CPU from the first cluster requests ownership of the bus, it is granted bus ownership by virtue of the first cluster's appearance to the second cluster as a "phantom" CPU. Does this sound useful to our hardware people? See: http://amiga.org/articles/1999/0901-aipatents.shtml p) Subject: New KOSH mirror site Summary of debate: A new mirror site for KOSH can be found at http://kosh.convergence.org/ and you'll find some space kindly donated by http://www.convergence.org/ This should be quicker than the current location (again thanks to Convergence International for their kind help with this). q) Subject: Amiga, KOSH and QNX Summary of debate: With Amiga declaring that they are not going to make hardware but concentrate on software perhaps should switch the idea of one of the hosts for KOSH being AmigaOS to QNX. If we stay with Amiga which from recent announcements seems to be going to be hosted over other things then we end up with the silly situation of base OS with 2 levels of hosting on top. Please note that this is only in reference to AmigaNG and not "Classic" which a number of people have said we should port to. Also note there is no change with the idea of hosting on Linux and Windows. r) Subject: AmiJoe and KOSH Summary of debate: With Met@Box producing the AmiJoe accelerator for the A4000 perhaps KOSH should consider porting a hosted version specifically to take advantage of this and other PPC Amigas? s) Subject: Transmeta and KOSH Summary of debate: Simple question - Is Transmeta of any use to KOSH? t) Subject: Team Amiga, Phoenix Platform Consortium and KOSH Summary of debate: A cross-ML posting with two things of interest: To join Team Amiga ML send an email to Gary Peak TA coordinator at gpeake@texas.net with the subject of "join TA request" and your personal details. All info provided by you on joining will be for internal TA/TAC use only. Secondly here is a snippet from the rest of the email which is very interesting for KOSH although please note that there were mixed feelings about what Phoenix is trying to do: The Phoenix Platform Consortium will assume responsibility for aid and recommendation for reference platforms for the Amiga users who wish to upgrade their present Amigas, as we establish an open migration path to a new platform. That platform will in spirit and in feel be a new Amiga experience while incorporating and surpassing the features found on the desktop elsewhere today. As information becomes available it will be posted on mailing lists, newsgroups, and at the following website: http://owlnet.net/phoenix/ which will be up shortly. This announcement is freely repostable. u) Subject: KOSH Subscribers Summary of debate: There is a problem at the moment that some KOSHans are not receiving emails via the icon2 email address we are using. Obviously this creates a problem. Please can you therefore email Greg Webb at greg@gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk and let him know that you are getting the emails. We can then coordinate a "rescue package" to contact other KOSHans who have been dropped off of the list (by comparing the respondents to Greg with the kosh-general@kosh.net ML subscribee list that we have). v) Subject: Why KOSH? Summary of debate: I seem to be quoting a lot in full this week but why not - its not as though there have been many summaries to read since June. Here is a quote from Greg Webb (does this guy do anything but KOSH? - all credit due to him!) which I particularly like: KOSH isn't just a software engineering project. The thing that really sets us apart and makes me particularly fond of this project - for those who hadn't noticed ;) - is the ideology behind it. We're not in this just to produce something fantastic, we're in it to produce something for the community. So, rather than a more traditional corporate structure, we're set up so that KOSH is owned (when these considerations actually mean anything) by a combination of those who've developed it (as in us guys), those who own KOSH boxes and those who sell KOSH boxes. No corporate investors running this for financial gain, just a community of people who want to avoid the horrific problems that the Amiga platform has suffered. So, we're set up to do everything we can to make that impossible. Greg w) Subject: New hardware from IBM Summary of debate: IBM recently announced availability of PPC motherboard designs. This should help start up Mac clones again (with MacOS X on UNIX/NeXT). Motorola have announced PPC G5 (64 and 32 bit products, new pipeline, new bus topology, 2GHz+) and G6. This hardware could be used for KOSH systems. x) Subject: TransAM/One Summary of debate: Interest was expressed on the list for Met@Box to start up the TransAM/One project again as this would present a very interesting hardware opportunity for KOSH (noting it would not be the only hardware solution - inclusive but not exclusive...) From: "Colin-Stewart Bridge Deady" csbdeady@mythicz.u-net.com Date: 18 Sep 99 11:52:33 +0000 Subject: [KOSH] Summary 25 to go with 26 To: kosh-general@iconimaging.net Reply-To: kosh-general@iconimaging.net As promissed here is summary 25 to go with 26 so we can remember what was going on in June... -Bridge ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.mythicz.u-net.com | DT-MUD:sunsite.auc.dk:4242 Amigan | Vegan | KOSHan - Go for a swim in the object sea, http://www.gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk/kosh/index.html Storm of the Eye RPG GUI-PBEM http://www.2bp.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------- KOSH [Kommunity Orientated Software Hardware] Weekly Summary Week Commencing: 12th June 1999 Number: 025 Mailing List: kosh-general In the mailing list this week, the following items were discussed. Please do not email the scribe regarding any of these topics, it is not his job to answer these questions but merely to report the topics of conversation. If you have any queries about this summary, please email ben@kosh.net, stating the Summary Number, and Mailing List Name, and he will try to answer your queries. a) Subject: Community involvement in Linux - an example for KOSH? Summary of debate: Linux stresses community involvement and feedback. See http://www.kde.org - from the website can be seen where KOSH could go in terms of feed back mechanisms (documentation, FAQ, wish list, bug reports, etc). b) Subject: KOSH Installation Summary of debate: It was pointed out that KOSH being easy to install and working first time will present a good first impression to a user. It was also mentioned that subsequent usage and alteration of the system should also maintain the good impression. c) Subject: Second User Survey Draft Summary of debate: The KOSH Survey WG released the second version of its User Survey Questionnaire. Changes incorporated included an additional section on disabilities and a note that personal questions are completely optional and various other amendments. See the email from Greg Webb (greg@gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk) date 14/06 and entitled "[KOSH] Second survey draft" for the full text. This again generated a large number of replies with many constructive comments on the survey. Even though the survey is developing very well a number of areas such as the personal questions section were felt in need of further development. Even so, a big thanks to all the hard work that the Survey WG have put in to this project. One key point for the future is that there will most likely be a "Developers Survey" and therefore the one we are creating at the moment does not need to cover everything. However we do note that developers are users and vice versa. I won't detail all the different comments on the second draft as I'm sure the Survey WG will be taking their own notes and I don't want to take up the entire summary with it. If you're interested in the work of that group please feel free to get involved! c) Subject: Volunteers to translate the survey to other languages. Summary of debate: As well as Thomas Jensen offering to do a Danish translation of the survey, Philippe 'Elwood' Ferucci has volunteered to do a French version. Thanks to both of you. If anyone else would be able to translate the Survey into other languages when it is completed please would they make themselves known to kosh-general@kosh.net d) Subject: Deadlocking in KOSH Summary of debate: The following questions were posed: "How will Deadlock (resource circularity, mutual exclusion, hold&wait) be dealt with? In current OSes it is not a serious problem because there are not many places it can occur - but in a sea of objects all offering services, the possibility for deadlock must increase 1000 (or a million?) fold... [Without this] KOSH...won't work for more than a few minutes before the entire system freezes up solid under heavy load". Apparently Unix ignores deadlock and hopes it will go away, working on the grounds that it does not happen all that often. Hopefully a better solution will be found in KOSH? There are plenty of ways to prevent deadlocks from ever ocurring by being careful about how you hand out resources and checking with process what resources they could conceivably need. Alternatively getting rid of "hold & wait" just like in current filing systems could be the way to solve this. The OS can be set up so that, if a process wants some resources, it has to give up others. A deadlocking object in the resource manager was proposed. e) Subject: Atari computers and MiNT Summary of debate: It was mentioned that those using Atari computers now use MiNT which has multitasking and is POSIX compliant. See http://www.altos.org.uk/mint/index.html which has a guide to FreeMiNT. MiNT is a hybrid of Unix and TOS. Perhaps this has some ideas that are relevant to KOSH. f) Subject: KOSH website location Summary of debate: Just in case you missed it, the most up-to-date version of the website is currently at http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ssu97gw/kosh/ It should move to kosh.net/ soonish. g) Subject: Developing users Summary of debate: In reference to the User Survey it was mentioned that developers and users are often the same people. If we could make it so that in KOSH every user could behave as a developer at any time we would make the system much more accessible. We would thus avoid creating an unnatural separation and scare people into a division between the two. We must be careful not to scare off people who just want to be users. h) Subject: EPOC32 Summary of debate: The Psion 5 keyboard being nice to type on compared to other palmtops was mentioned and this generated a comment that EPOC32 has some nice things in it that KOSH may like to look at (scribe's note: presumably EPOC32 is an OS and not a keyboard though). i) Subject: KOSH FAQ Summary of debate: "Our Greg" has asked he could have some questions to put into the KOSH FAQ please. Oh and Frequently given answers would be nice as well. j) Subject: Sheep and #HHHHHH Summary of debate: There was lots of discussion on sheep and dodgy HTML code involving #HHHHHH which gives lots of interesting results depending on where you see it - oh and watching the Simpsons when one should be working on one's studies was also mentioned... and that's all I'm saying about this:P(ps) [News message: 18. Sep. 1999, 08:00] [Comments: 0] [Send via e-mail] [Print version] [ASCII version] |
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