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«Topic» Onderwerp voor kanaal #amiwest was gezet door HammerD op 04:08:30 28-07-2001
«Names» Gebruikers op #amiwest: Dirk-B dhoch _Muffin donnah tarbos Epyx AmigaMMC Ryu miksuh imgooch blubberboy Gary tekmage willyb UltraGelb RMerlin JKD_afk @Kreton OSS542 @HammerD Develin Lodosswar redblue meloG kolla_ portnoy @Darxide teq @DrWho Ingo
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Lodosswar Gary: give him a diet coke and he's set for the evening
DrWho well I just dropped 4 more T1's into my outgoing
HammerD drwho: good but tekmage has a shitty connect :(
Gary It might be Monday or Tuesday before I can. No copies here.  :(
tarbos better now with proxy
Develin Gary: Ok :-)
DrWho HammerD: yes, I think that's the problem, although I don't know if it rebuffers because of lack of signal from the sending end
DrWho if it does that's probably a setting in the shoutcast server
Develin Shall questions go to the ICQ-number or is someone scanning this channel directly for questions ?
--> ittel (~letti@pc3214.public.htk.fi) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
--> Zerohero (~Zerohero@h118n1fls31o831.telia.com) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
HammerD i believe questions goto the ICQ UGN nick
--> alf (root@p60.nas4.is5.u-net.net) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
Ryu tekmage: what time is the webcam and stuff being turned on for the show tomorrow?
HammerD looks like they are getting ready to present
tekmage 11 am ish
HammerD Tekmage can you ZOOM the camera to the screen?
HammerD so we can read the slides?
Ryu right i'll err be ill tomorrow then :)
tekmage we could not find the len's
--> MpZ (ATOMO@r-na057-2-110.tin.it) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
tekmage chrap
tekmage crap
Gary Someone ask Bill if flashlights would work instead of a projector.
tekmage VHIstudio is messed
tekmage need a reboot of the webcam
«Quit» tekmage (tekmage@ppp-207-215-85-55.dialup.scrm01.pacbell.net) is weggegaan (Opps, wrong switch).
Dirk-B maybe the slides are top secret ;)
DrWho audio has smoothed out
DrWho kill the freaking webcam
Ryu jumpy as hell here
--> Calen (johno@host213-122-151-65.btinternet.com) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
Ryu wb Calen
miksuh a bit jumpy here too, but better than in start
Calen thnx...had to switch comps :/
--> lo0 (~root@pD9582316.dip.t-dialin.net) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
Develin Did anybody read the August issue of AmigaActive about the new Amiga-emulator, any ideas which system it will work for (it wasn't Linux or Windows)... Maybe Amiga Inc. has something todo with it ? :-)
UltraGelb Develin: how about QNX? :)
HammerD KEYNOTE STARTING NOW
Lodosswar nod
«Quit» AmigaMMC (none@24.241.158.25) is weggegaan ().
Ryu nod
HammerD i'm recording it
Ingo Develin: Collas strikes back! ;)
Develin UltraGelb: Yes, that was my first tought, since it was a small efficient system that was not so disimilar to AmigaOS
Develin Ingo: hehe :-)
tarbos cool
Ryu walker and MMC
tarbos walker
Develin The speed was realy amazing.
tarbos yeah
Lodosswar rock!
UltraGelb it could also be this uae-on-a-chip annouced by IWin ;)
HammerD Merlancia industries effective today, has the right to the walker and MCC design.
tarbos im so exited
Dirk-B cam is on
--> aardvark (aardvark@h24-71-231-148.fm.shawcable.net) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
aardvark Hello all
HammerD keynote is on
Ryu hi aardvark
Ingo cam is damn far from screen
lo0 develin: what you mean with the speed was amazing ?
Zerohero darrian
Ingo amazing slow of course ;)
HammerD Ingo: Can't you read it? :)
aardvark Windows Media doesn't seem to like Shoutcast for streaming audio
Ingo HammerD: no way
Ryu i hope they have a better connection tomorrow :(
Lodosswar aardvark: go fig... gotta love wma
tarbos hammerd: need gameboy magnify glasses? ;)
aardvark I swear by Amiga, I swear _at_ Windows
«Quit» Develin (~user@as1-1-1.kpr.ks.bonet.se) is weggegaan (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
--> AmigaMMC (none@24.241.158.25) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
AmigaMMC Damn Server!
HammerD Bill Mc is talking about Sharp Zaurus and showing applications
--> _bladez_ (blazs@ppp5-100.apex.net.au) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
HammerD showing first 5 shipping applications
HammerD also on compaq ipaq
AmigaMMC What did he say about the 3.5 million?
miksuh hmm that webcam really should have a zoom :)
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Ingo yeah zOOm pls
«Nick» lo0 is nu bekend als VMC.
--> Spook (d@144.138.61.164) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
--> Develin (~user@as1-1-1.kpr.ks.bonet.se) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
DrWho what does amiga have to do with any of these devices
AmigaMMC AmigaDE runs on top of them
HammerD not really much, in the classic sense :(
Dirk-B 3.5 million devices already
Spook hang on what is everyone talking about? ive just turned up
DrWho AmigaMMC: it does?
Gary And once coded, apps run on all of them.
AmigaMMC The classic sense is past, we live in the present
AmigaMMC DrWho: yes, where have you been? ;-)
tarbos what is he sorry for?
DrWho AmigaMMC: I have the zaurus dev kit
«Nick» VMC is nu bekend als lo0.
DrWho it's C++ w/codewarrior dev environment with the TAO java engine
HammerD not sure
Lodosswar oh cool!!  Tek just got his $20!
HammerD can't really make it out
AmigaMMC DrWho: Bill is showing apps running on different processors without modifications
DrWho nothing Amiga involved
RMerlin Dino-zaurus: dead and extinct?
AmigaMMC lol
DrWho AmigaMMC: you confuse TAO with Amiga
AmigaMMC DrWho: I don't confuse anything
AmigaMMC Gary you tell him
DrWho AmigaMMC: ok
miksuh DrWho: AmigaDE will be based on TAO Elate and Intent
HammerD OS 4. shipping no later than Nov. 1st
tarbos lolol
Develin When did he say it will be available for developers ?... the sound just choped here...
DrWho miksuh: and the bits Sharp are using are TAO bits
HammerD 4-6 weeks i think
--> tekmage (tekmage@ppp-207-215-86-69.dialup.scrm01.pacbell.net) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
tarbos shouldn't be there 4.2 by then?
Ryu god im tierd
HammerD no
HammerD 4.2 is 2002 i think
RMerlin Fuck this, jump right at 5.0
tekmage was on #amiga
RMerlin Bump it to 6.0 by releasing a new package filled with icons
AmigaMMC AmigaDE Network what? I lost the stream
RMerlin 7.0 will probably have an improved C:Copy command that does multithreaded buffering
miksuh DrWho: you really should do some research about how this all should work _:)
HammerD amiga: content network, if you own the party pack you can download new apps and games
miksuh but now i'm going to follow the show :)
Spook 4.2 by the end of the year isnt it, and that will only be a minor update
DrWho miksuh: call Sharp
AmigaMMC Rmerlin: Jumping right at 5.0 means for us waiting 2 years without seeing anything, and Amiga going bankrupted (you give them the money to work 2 years without revenues?)
DrWho order the Zaurus Dev environment
tekmage after the speech I'll get those devices in front of the webcam
RMerlin AmigaMMC: I'm refering to that stupid numbering scheme
RMerlin They change 5 lines of code, and bump it to 4.0.
«Quit» dhoch (~djhoch@dsl-64-194-241-105.telocity.com) is weggegaan (Demo timeout).
RMerlin 3 more lines of code, and it's 4.2 (where's 4.1?)
MpZ tekmage: cool :)
Ryu how long is the speach planed to run for?
ittel miksuh: care to answer my question (on the other network & channel) ?-)
tarbos it's so amazing :)
Ryu just so I know what time I can expect to goto bed :)
lo0 hi tarbos :)
tarbos hi vmc
tekmage Ryu: soon
DrWho RMerlin: just as long as they credit you for the ICON system heh
miksuh DrWho: http://www.amiga.com/corporate/052201-sharp.shtml
DrWho miksuh: that's nothing from sharp
HammerD audio is so choppy i'll have to listen to it when its all done. (after my keynote stream is saved)
RMerlin What kind of software development is that where you announce 3 revision numbers, with no logical relation, and do this before even knowing what you'll change in these
AmigaMMC RMerlin: c'mon, do we really have to compain about numbering? Who cares? It's the final product I'm inetersted in, don't give a damn if they call it 1.0 or 234343.43gf343
DrWho that's only amiga speaking and Sharp agreeing to let amiga develop apps for Zaurus environment
miksuh DrWho: it's title is "
RMerlin AmigaMMC: It just proves that it's all a smoke mirror.
miksuh Sharp demonstrates Amiga DE applications at 2001 Business Show in Tokyo."
miksuh drdbut i'm not going to fight with you here
DrWho miksuh: that's an Amiga press release
AmigaMMC RMerlin: then what are you doing here?
DrWho nothing from Sharp whatsoever, and Amiga considers TAO apps amiga apps
Ryu teq: what do you use for the webcam?
DrWho Zaurus definetly comes with the TAO JVM
RMerlin AmigaMMC: Probably here for a laugh, to see how far they'll go in trying to top the Q-OS hoax.  I guess.
AmigaMMC DrWho: Sharp has no reason to mention Amiga, basic of business
AmigaMMC RMerlin: then go trolling elsewhere
Ryu err that was aimed at tekmage :)
DrWho AmigaMMC: check the zaurus kit info, they do specify many other dev tools
Ryu <---- tab abuser
Ryu <---- tab abuser
HammerD showing a sharp cell phone now
AmigaMMC DrWho: yes, because the devtools are for the ZAurus, AmigaDEVTool is for the AmigaDE
AmigaMMC BIG DIFFERENCE
«Kick» AmigaMMC is van dit kanaal geschopt door Darxide: Stop shouting in here, will ya?
--> AmigaMMC (none@24.241.158.25) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
miksuh DrWho: yes maybe Sharp does not want to mention Amiga now when AmigaDE is not ready
tekmage Ryu: the camera was hacked out of some peice of medical gear, I used Arexx to grab with ImageFX then upload with AmFTP
miksuh but who says they can't use other dev-tools
miksuh nobody
Ryu tekmage: using a prograb or sommat?
RMerlin tekmage: Configured a 3COM webcam for a customer this week.  Damn NICE image.
Turrican2 Go Tekmage! :)
tekmage Ryu: no
AmigaMMC Miksuh: Sharp has no reason to mention a company that still has to affirm itself, I wouldn't either
Lodosswar damn
AmigaMMC Miksuh: When Amiga will show what it is worth, Sharp will be glad to mention the partnership whenever possible
Turrican2 Sharp has no resaon to mention a company run by Fleecy Moss and Bill McEwen :)
tekmage I turned the audio off
tekmage coming back
miksuh AmigaMMC: I know that, say it to DrWho :)
AmigaMMC Misuh: :)
Ryu tekmage: why?
tekmage Ryu: he asked me to ;p
AmigaMMC DAMN!
tekmage if you where here you would know :)
AmigaMMC what the ****
Lodosswar tekmage: who was it?
tekmage Lodosswar: ***** :)
AmigaMMC what happened? We want to know :)
Calen whats the link to the webcam ?
HammerD Amiga partnership with one of the world's largest wireless carriers to 22 million people
tekmage ugn.amiga.org/webcam
HammerD tek did you turn the mic off for a minute ? :)
tekmage HammerD: yes
Calen ta
Spook is it doCoMo?
tekmage NTT
AmigaMMC What was about the telecom company and 22 million people?
DrWho HammerD: ok, I'll look for it in Wireless news
tarbos 10 mio amiga enabled devices in the next 12 months
tarbos well, they define what is "amiga"...
tarbos ;)
Spook there big, japanese and have a lot  digital content
HammerD 10 million amiga enabled devices in the market place, then 30 million next year
DrWho (since we do wireless)
miksuh AmigaMMC: I'm quite optimistic about AmigaDE and I think that Amiga is doing good work :)
«Quit» _bladez_ (blazs@ppp5-100.apex.net.au) is weggegaan (Ping timeout).
HammerD drwho we just installed a large 802.11b wireless network
DrWho HammerD: we have DSSS and FH
DrWho systems
HammerD drwho whats that
* JKD_afk wonders why pieces of poxy shareware are worth showing (5 shipping Sharp apps)
DrWho 802.11b is DSSS
AmigaMMC Miksuh: 30 million, wow :)
DrWho digital spread spectrum sequencing
miksuh :)
HammerD oh you mean direct sequence / frequency hopping
DrWho Frequency hopping is an althernate tech
tarbos miksuh: but i don't want some silly gameboy style apps for my new "amiga" ;)
--> _bladez_ (blazs@t1-1-064.dialup.apex.net.au) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
DrWho we are testing to see if we can get away with DS
HammerD we USED to run a 2 mbit raytheon frequency hopping wireless
Ryu now I cant wait for the WoAse show now :)))))))))
DrWho HammerD: yea we have breezecom and raylink gear in
tekmage tarbos: he is talking about that now
Turrican2 Am I to understand than an AmigaDE app can run _Totally_ unchanged on all AmigaDE platforms?
DrWho Lucent/cisco for DS
HammerD drwho: we have 1000 raylink cards and about 50 raylink hubs
Gary Turrican2: yes, you can understand that.
HammerD but that's our old network
AmigaMMC Another interruption... what was the game consol thing?
DrWho HammerD: yea, DS is a better buy, in our area that will probably be fine
AmigaMMC Turrican2: yes, can also be optimized if you like
DrWho and it is higher speed and can make lower runs, and CPE gear is cheaper
Turrican2 So if I code a really great superduper game for 1 AmigaDE platform, all the AmigaDE platform owners around the world can easily pirate it, right?
Spook the webcam is saying something about the amiga desktop, can anyone expand?
MpZ Turrican2: but can as well buy it, what's your point
miksuh Turrican2: it's better than you create game for small amiga market and all pirate it
«Quit» portnoy (jkl@ip12.lansing6.mi.pub-ip.psi.net) is weggegaan ().
miksuh more users is ofcource good
AmigaMMC Turrican: not that easy to pirate on the Zaurus I hear
miksuh arf
miksuh now this starts to drop audio connection :(
JKD_afk G4 Altivec is cool....just watching my Mac do 4.4Mkeys/s...like watching paint dry..only faster ;-)
AmigaMMC Turrican: You have to download the game from a certified website or something like that
«Nick» JKD_afk is nu bekend als JKD.
AmigaMMC OH damn, again!
«Quit» imgooch (b@cx532976-a.alsv1.occa.home.com) is weggegaan (Leaving).
AmigaMMC Always in the most interesting parts
«Nick» UltraGelb is nu bekend als HygenTryo.
Lodosswar AmigaMMC: yeah I know... sigh
Ryu audio has gone shie again :(
AmigaMMC can anybody sum up the missing points?
tekmage amigaos for x86
AmigaMMC ?
AmigaMMC What?
MpZ !!!
HammerD tek ?
Lodosswar er?
AmigaMMC x86?
Spook wtf!!
Gary hahaha, this will blow some minds!
tarbos evil!
Spook gary, why do this?
tekmage don't blame me
MpZ lol
HammerD amiga os on x86? audio hasn't come through yet
JKD heh...lol
HammerD i've love it...
AmigaMMC Bill MCewen" Guess what?" - and the connection goes to hell
* MpZ hugs tekmage
AmigaMMC damn!
HammerD but...
Gary hahaha
tarbos hey
HammerD "guess what" -= audio buffering
tekmage hahah
DrWho tekmage tripped over the plug again
«Quit» Develin (~user@as1-1-1.kpr.ks.bonet.se) is weggegaan (There is a light that never goes out...).
tarbos is it top secret?
AmigaMMC I think x86 is good
Ryu okay no audio at all now
«Quit» Turrican2 (cardwel1@adsl-208-191-175-213.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) is weggegaan (Client exiting).
DrWho AmigaMMC: so did BE
HammerD X86 would rock, but i don't believe it
AmigaMMC Guess we'll never know ;-)
DrWho fucked them over though
MpZ lol audio is dead
JKD in 7 years they can`t even get a simple ppc/68k emu box out..now they`re gonna have it working on ppc ;-)
HammerD tekmage audio is not buffering
AmigaMMC DrWho: But Amiga is not going ONLY x86, can you see the difference?
Gary Bill has it there.
_bladez_ argh ..no audio and i have to go :-(
DrWho pissed off devs, and too much work
DrWho AmigaMMC: neither was be
Spook x86 is good, but what about H&P aOne?
--> Develin (~user@as1-1-1.kpr.ks.bonet.se) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
HammerD ok buffering now
AmigaMMC DrWho: yeah right
tarbos what is x86, the amigaos or amigade?
_bladez_ argh lost connection :/
HammerD audio coming online for me now
AmigaMMC DrWho: recheck Be History
DrWho AmigaMMC: be was PPC
DrWho then they ported to x86 in desperation
miksuh I'll buy ppc-based Amigaone anyway :)
AmigaMMC DrWho: "WAS" then they dropped the PPC altogether
RMerlin After Jobs told them to get lost
Spook maybe jobs paid off aInc?
AmigaMMC DrWho: Amiga is doing the opposite, going to all possible processors
Develin Is this was mentioned in AmigaActive ? :-)
Gary Develin: Nope, it wasn't
DrWho AmigaMMC: ever heard of BeIA?
tarbos some silly gfxtests
HammerD linetest 162 times faster than A4000/060
tekmage anyone still getting Audio still?
HammerD yes
Lodosswar nod
tarbos HD: with voodoo3?
HammerD coming clear now
DrWho AmigaMMC: and btw they never dropped support for PPC
HammerD with X86
tekmage the are using AIBB
RMerlin DrWho: Thing is, BeOS was originaly designed with multimedia and multithreading in mind.  Neither are of any use in embedded applications.
HammerD tekmage on what computer?
tekmage HammerD:  a PC laptop
RMerlin DrWho: So it's obviously a desperate move to save their asses
HammerD tek, running UAE?
Lodosswar is AIBB native on the x86?
tekmage Kermit is showing imagefx
Spook tekmage: aiab or aibb?
Lodosswar no way...
DrWho RMerlin: yea, but that guy is telling me to research BE is funny stuff
tekmage aibb
tekmage the old one
tarbos cool, native x86 on display?
Spook whats the diff?
tarbos or uae?
Lodosswar is that ifx native on x86?
Gary not UAE
Develin what is saying now ?... my sounds died :-(
tarbos amithlon ;)
DrWho tekmage: on what platform
HammerD audio buffering again
MpZ hehe must be a plan
HammerD but i'm recording all this
tekmage kermit is attempting to show off imagefx
tekmage it's pretty quick
RMerlin tekmage: Bah, ask HArv to show you his RioVolt.  At least you'll see a good, usefull piece of personal hardware while there ;)
tekmage It's the Amiga running on a PC
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HammerD tekmage: which OS?
tekmage HammerD: Amiga?
Spook tek:DE or Os
Lodosswar is that native x86 for IFX?
tekmage HammerD: Gary could explain it if he wanted to
tekmage Spook: it's "classic"
AmigaMMC Gary can you shed some light on the AmigaOS x86? We're missing everything
HammerD its all quite confusing here, sorry the audio is so choppy
Dirk-B tip: restart the sound-program
_bladez_ HammerD: same here
AmigaMMC This is cruel and unusual punishment :(
miksuh yep audio is terrible now
_bladez_ any how leaving now.
Lodosswar luca: nod
Lodosswar er...
RMerlin Their parallel port sampler must be unable to keep up ;)
DrWho damnit I'm interested in ImageFX stuff
Spook garY: enlighten us please!!
* RMerlin goes for a drink before the mob goes after him.
miksuh it drops connection all the time
AmigaMMC It's like being hungry and not being able to reach the apple on the tree, quite tantalizing
HammerD it says running faster than any powerpc has ever run imagefx
Ryu^ is the audio and webcam still up?
miksuh it was good but not anymore :(
tekmage Ryu: it should be
Dirk-B yes and yes
Develin So it's classic AmigaOS on a AMD ?
DrWho HammerD: heh what PowerPC ran ImageFX
tarbos gary: c'mon, don't be shy ;)
JKD bah..what`d I do with streami
tekmage the numbers are changing
AmigaMMC Develin: I guess it's "also on x86"
Ryu^ im getting no audio what so ever
--> xantigrav (~xantigrav@PPPa86-ResaleChicagoMetro18-4R7428.dialinx.net) is het kanaal binnengekomen.
AmigaMMC Year 2001, and still no decent streaming tecnology. Bah!
AmigaMMC Hope AmigaDE does better in that field
Spook lol
AmigaMMC :)
Develin AmigaMMC: Yeah, sorry I'm tired as h*ll here :-)
MpZ that's a connection problem I fear
AmigaMMC what saves 18 months?
MpZ hotel connection must be bad
AmigaMMC what happened to the sound?
AmigaMMC who accomplished what for Amiga?
Gary Harold Franks has done an Amiga Hardware layer that actually loads the AmigaOS on an x86 paltform.
Ryu^ whats the addres for audio again?
«Quit» Ryu (~Ryu@modem-909.mussel.dialup.pol.co.uk) is weggegaan (Ping timeout).
tarbos mindboggling speed on his amd 1.2 (ghz?)
tekmage MpZ: the hotel connection is hoffible
tekmage horrible
HammerD Gary: are you going to sell it as a shrink wrap product?
Gary Along with Bernie Meyer abnd some others.
Dirk-B http://ugn.amiga.org
MpZ bummer tekmage :/
xantigrav Gary: Will it run Amiga apps full spped?
Spook gary: how will it intergrate DE?
DrWho Spook: it's classic amigaOS
Gary xantigrav: It runs at a bit faster rate than an 040 to me.
Ryu^ I aint got the ram to load a browser
AmigaMMC xantigrav: apparently will run apps several thousands times faster
Ryu^ cant someone just tell me
Dirk-B sound ok again
DrWho Spook: UAE does the same
Spook drWho: yeah but itd be nice to have DE in the same package
xantigrav Gary: Wo  is Harold Franks?
AmigaMMC DrWho: UAE doesn't even get close
Gary AmigaMMC: Actual eye speed is just faster than an 040.
xantigrav DrWho: UAE is slow
MpZ cool
DrWho AmigaMMC: ok, what does UAE do then
lo0 drwho: uae is slow against it :)
Gary xantigrav: Harold Franks and Bernie Meyers are two excellent coders.
Spook and UAE is unstable as well
AmigaMMC DrWho: good for games
Ryu^ okay no one tell me then, like I really care anyway
DrWho it emulates the amiga hardware layer through software
JKD we reach the user limit on the audio ?
xantigrav And Amiga Inc. makes no money from UAE
AmigaMMC probably
lo0 xantigrav: NO there is NO UAE
Ryu^ Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
HammerD the ONLY OS on the PC is Amiga OS x86
tekmage 43 out of 200
HammerD they are showing quake full screen
xantigrav They are howing off Amiga OS x86?
Lodosswar gary: what was the name of the guy who gave you guys the CD?
Spook HammerD: there goes Scalos or whatever it was called.
Lodosswar (filling in blanks)
Ryu^ i have no audio here what so ever
Gary Lodosswar: Harold Franks and Bernie Meyer.
AmigaMMC not anymore
OSS542 still have audio here
AmigaMMC and takes ages to rebuffer
OSS542 a bit choppy, but not bad at all
HygenTryo Gary: BTW its Harald Frank
Ryu^ not even fetching anyhing I dont think
Gary HygenTryo: Apologies.
xantigrav Whats the url for shotcast so that Winamp can play the stream?
Ryu^ no one seems to care and its like 5:15am here now
HygenTryo Gary: you dont have to appologise ;)
MpZ http://ugn.amiganet.org:8000
DrWho AmigaMMC: btw do you know who bernie myers is?
OSS542 ugn.amiga.org:800
OSS542 http://ugn.amiga.org:800
OSS542 http://ugn.amiga.org:8000
DrWho I've been running his JIT enabled version of UAE for about a year
OSS542 rather
tekmage 8000
AmigaMMC DrWho: The name sounds familiar
* RMerlin only knows Bob Myers.
DrWho AmigaMMC: he's a UAE author
Gary DrWho: This is not anything like UAE though.
Lodosswar DrWho: nod
lo0 drwho: He is the father of JIT
_Muffin xantigrav: it's...http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=537306&addr=216.90.48.71:8000&file=filename.pls
DrWho Gary: well have you ran UAE with the JIT, it's a speedup
tekmage what is the UGN rank on shoutcast.com?
DrWho I imagine Harald wrote a bootloader for it
AmigaMMC DrWho: but still an emulation
Ryu^ nope still no sound
xantigrav What are some of Bob Myers & Harold Franks other amiga apps? any on Aminet?
Gary DrWho: Yes, I have run JIT, this is about 10 times faster at its slowest.
OSS542 Ryu^: reboot
Ryu^ brb reseting see if that changes anything
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HammerD Gary Gary Gary... PLEASE sell me this x86 amiga os...
tekmage lol
HammerD :)
Dirk-B what is cool?
tekmage Amiga x86 will ship November 1st... $10,000 a copy :)
AmigaMMC lol
Gary HammerD: It is AmigaOS that runs on x86
AmigaMMC wish I knew
HammerD Gary: awesome. please let me buy it :)
MpZ yeah wanna make good use of this freaking pc
Lodosswar what was the ship date they just gave?
xantigrav Gary: I am ready to buy x86 Amiga OS, just got the Part Pack from you a few weeks ago
RMerlin HammerD: Better go with UAE - the Windows/Linux OS underneath at least will provide drivers for your hardware
AmigaMMC WHAT IS COOL?
«Kick» AmigaMMC is van dit kanaal geschopt door Darxide: Stop shouting in here, will ya?
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AmigaMMC keep losing my window
miksuh but hmm we already have ppc-apps, but we have no AmigaOS apps for x86
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«Nick» JKD_afk is nu bekend als JKD.
Lodosswar got it, n/m
xantigrav Muffin: Thanks
tarbos 1 grand??
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lo0 RMerlin: who sad that there are no hardware drivers ?
Gary miksuh: The x86 OS runs reglar amiga pps.
_Muffin no probs :)
HammerD Amiga X86 on sale Nov. 1 2001
HammerD Amiga OS that is.
RMerlin lo0: nVIDIA as one won't give anyone access to their API.
HammerD Amiga OS PPC Nov. 1 2001
AmigaMMC What was that x86, PPC and what else?
HammerD Amiga ONE hardware Nov. 1 2001
MpZ sweet!
HammerD GeForce graphics is supported native on Amiga OS x86
MpZ !
xantigrav HammerD: Price for Amiga OS x86?
HammerD xanti: not announced
lo0 RMerlin:may we will se
Lodosswar RMerlin: yes they will... nVidia is the most open source video board you can get (snkr)
tekmage xantigrav: Bill did not say
RMerlin HammerD: If it does, then it means they're using XFree86 code.
Spook are the crowd loving it? can any one tell?
xantigrav x86 Amiga OS is fast?
tekmage if you have a question send it to my ICQ
Calen Gary: can u explain to us how its differ from UAE Jit, besides the speed thing.
JKD tekmage: venom make it to the show ?
tekmage yes JKD_afk
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Lodosswar xantigrav: the comments from kermit were they are faster than PPC results on any current Amiga.
Lodosswar xantigrav: that was for IFX though.
JKD tekmage: cool...look forward to seeing you all tommorrow then :)
tekmage JKD: cool
RMerlin Lodosswar: IFX is highly math-dependent.
HammerD Gary: ok is this free to post on comp.sys.amiga.misc?
Lodosswar RMerlin: nod
tarbos lodoss: easy, but g3-333mhz 1mb cache board is 69dollars anyway
Gary Calen: We will put up PR and other things between now and Wednesday or so.
AmigaMMC HammerD: did Bill mention GeForce?
Ryu okay so can someone please tell me what I have missed
Ryu I am getting audio again now
HammerD Amiga: no but trust me
Calen Gary: ok
Lodosswar Lodosswar: yeah I know... cheeper in bulk too.
Gary hammerD: as far as I know, but no one there will believe you.
HammerD ok i'll try :)
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* Lodosswar is talking to himself again
lo0 lo Maxx
AmigaMMC Gary: if you tell me I believe you ;-)
Maxx `lo peeps
HammerD oh shit someone already confirmed it
HammerD on .misc
tekmage AmigaMMC: no, but he said that amigax86 uses linux for drivers and what not
lo0 Maxx: its public now..
JKD Gary: what I`ve heared does sound too good to be true ... which is always fun in csam ;-)
DrWho tekmage: yes linux JIT is way ahead of Windows implementation
DrWho the windows version of UAE sucks rocks
Gary *I* thought it was crap until I saw it running. It blew my mind!!!
Lodosswar DrWho: go fig... it hosts off of windows. hehe
AmigaMMC Gary: Your mind was already blown since a long time. hehehe
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JKD I`d like AmigaOS on my Palm m505 ;-)
lo0 *g*
Gary AmigaMMC: Too many armadillo meat patties.
AmigaMMC yuck!
AmigaMMC Gary: ehm.. is it good?
OSS542 octupus takoyakis
AmigaMMC I love OCtopus
Spook not as good as kangaroo
AmigaMMC he sent what to who?
OSS542 real men eat roasted songbirds on a stick at Japanese summer festivals
Spook or sheep brains and cows tongue
OSS542 lots of real women do too
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AmigaMMC Gary: I love Boston, 95 degrees yesterday, 53 right now
OSS542 Japanese ladies are tough
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OSS542 be careful
HammerD wow this is awesome news
JKD HammerD: Novv2001 certainly iis
RMerlin HammerD: Cool, another dead OS on the PC, right next to OS/2 and BeOS :)
HammerD Rmer, sure, why not? :) exposure will be massive
miksuh good birthday present for me :)
JKD RMerlin: yeah...but it`s *our* dead OS ;p
AmigaMMC Gary: that's a great birthday gift you guys give me :))
RMerlin HammerD: So thought Gasse.
HammerD JKD: good point :)
HammerD rmer, we'll see.
miksuh if I can get new Amiga in start of november :)
Gary RMerlin: What difference does it make to you?
RMerlin Gary: I'm just trying to understand.
JKD jeeez...sad financial news
tarbos 600 sold what?
HammerD party pack
JKD party pacck
tarbos oh
Dirk-B oeps
Gary The point is to get as many channels as possible for Amiga developers to sell apps through.
miksuh now audio is good again
tarbos no big market then?
JKD tarbos: does anyone really know about it apart from Amiga users ?
miksuh tarbos: if there is 600 developers it's quite good :)
RMerlin Gary: That's the developer's point of view.  Try to look at the other end of the table, from the user's point of view.  Then, one question comes to mind: "Why?"
miksuh tarbos: every amigan can't program anyway :)
DrWho well Gary, Rmerlin is one of the former developers you should try to attract
AmigaMMC what else other than ICQ and Scribble for AmigaDE? I didn't get it all
JKD ICQ compatible with ICQ2000 ?
Dirk-B howmany sdk's sold?
Gary RMerlin: We don't care if users know what they are running. Don't you see that? Most users have no clue what OS is on their computer.
DrWho just as long as it runs Office
RMerlin Gary: Most users will buy the OS that runs what they need, for the lowest price.
AmigaMMC RMerlin: and this is not just computers
Gary RMerlin: Most computer users are lemmings. Click it on, run it, play neat games and do stuff, turn it off.
AmigaMMC RMerlin: ask a PDA user what OS his/her PDA runs
RMerlin DrWho: Didn't someone once said you could have a Ford T any color you wanted, as long it was black? :)
AmigaMMC RMerlin: do they even know what "OS" means?
JKD AmigaMMC: PalmOS v4.0 ;-)
DrWho I think quickbooks/quicken is a hallmark app too
RMerlin Gary: Exactly.  So to have them change from one OS to another, you need something to make them move.
Lodosswar AmigaMMC: OS = On System? hehehe
RMerlin AmigaMMC: They know that Office won't run with it.
miksuh I aggree that AmigaOS x86 is goo thing, PC's are cheap and sure many more people will then be interested about AmigaOS :)
AmigaMMC Rmerlin: Office runs on Palms?
miksuh goo=good
Gary RMerlin: No we don't. We just run time version 1 app and what we have is on their computer then. Now everything coded in DE runs on their computer automagically.
RMerlin AmigaMMC: What does Palms have to do with computers
AmigaMMC RMerlin: were you listening>]
DrWho well I think it's tough a good move 4 years ago, probably but only a handful of amiga dev's left, and not many counting on making money on it
RMerlin AmigaMMC: You don't port iFX to run it on a Palm...
AmigaMMC RMerlin: AmigaDE is not about desktop, not only, that's just a small part of the whole market
RMerlin And Palm isn't even x86 in the first place
Gary DrWho: We have almost 2500 developers registered and most of them are working now.
RMerlin AmigaMMC: I'm talking about that x86 deal
DrWho Gary: neet put a list up on amigadev.net
Gary DrWho: A lkist of developers?
DrWho sure, so I can see the amigaOS luminaries working on it
AmigaMMC RMerlin: the AmigaOS is going to exist until 5.0 when it merges with DE
JKD the list of apps will show who`s an active dev and who isn`t
DrWho JKD: yea that's what I look at
Gary DrWho: Nope, then others will try to steal them away from the platform. You'll see them as they produce apps.
DrWho haha
tarbos does it run on xbox? O;-)
Ryu well its all confusing but I think good
DrWho tarbos: should be
AmigaMMC Tarbos: hopefully :)
RMerlin Gary: What, you're not confident enough in your solution that you must hide your developers to keep them? :)
xantigrav DrWho: your right Quickbooks & Quicken rocks!
DrWho xantigrav: basic stuff like that is important
Gary RMerlin: They are free to go public if they choose, but we don't publish lists of information given to us privately. You want YOUR info bandied about?
RMerlin Quick, lock them up before they become OS kernel hackers :)
Gary RMerlin: And we don't "owe you" a list either.
RMerlin Gary: Just ask for permission. <shrug>
Dirk-B what is the browser for the new amigaos?
MpZ but I want to see major apps coded for Amiga, are qe going to see that happening?
AmigaMMC RMerlin: Why should they? Do you see Apple doing that? Or microsoft?
DrWho MpZ: it's the chicken and egg syndrome
Spook dirk:opera i would guess?
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Dirk-B ok
MpZ are we going to see any photoshop, or stuff like that
Gary No one posts lists of developers. They are just being rediculous.
RMerlin AmigaMMC: They don't claim to have 2500 developers for a userbase of 5000 :)
Spook dirk:sorry sorry i meant escape!
DrWho devs won't go for it until there is a viable marketplace, and there isn't a viable marketplace without devs
DrWho Gary: Microsoft does
Gary RMerlin: Believe me or not, I don't care.  :)
AmigaMMC RMerlin: what you're asking is just nonsense
Dirk-B Spook: :)
DrWho of course that's an easy one heh
DrWho everybody on the planet
AmigaMMC DrWho: Microsoft published a list of all the developers by name? I doubt it
miksuh i donät velieve it either
miksuh don't
miksuh believe
miksuh damn typos :)
AmigaMMC :)
Ryu you know this playmp3 rexx script, can you just call it using the address as an argument?
Gary DrWho: Send me your private info so I can publish it in the web site for you.
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Gary :)
xantigrav Everyone should thank Bill M. for saving Amiga
DrWho Gary: I don't develop for AmigaDE
tekmage xantigrav: it ain't saved yet
Gary xantigrav: It isn't saved yet.
Gary DrWho: Don't ask others to do what you aren't willing to do.
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tekmage anyone have a question?
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miksuh it's a good start when people have hope and they believe in what they are doing :)
xantigrav tekmage: What about Amiga PPC apps will they run on Amiga OS x86
HammerD tekmage: Amiga OS x86 - very happy about that!
MpZ =]
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HammerD xanti: i doubt it
JKD so they ran CB quake on AmigaOS x86 ?
Ture I've just woke up here in Japan... what are the news?
tarbos ainc hates ppc
DrWho Apple
AmigaMMC Ture: that Japan is going to disappear today after a Tzunami ;-)
tekmage JKD: it was quake
aardvark Sure would be nice to think that ami OS x86 would run on my thinkpad 760XD laptop :^d
DrWho Apple has much more space on the desktop
DrWho Linux is in server space
DrWho mostly
xantigrav HammerD: So if develops just do a 680X0 version & PPC version they will on all versions of Amiga OS.
HammerD any m68k app will still run on amiga os x86
MpZ but is it an actual os running on x86?
MpZ or is it an emulation layer?
HammerD from my understanding there are dual api's.
HammerD one for m68k (obviously) and one for x86
MpZ cool
JKD HammerD: what`s going on with all this  diversifiicatioon...how ddoes this fiit with DE? (apologies for  typos)
HammerD you can program a completely native 86x amiga app
HammerD ooops x86
MpZ perfect that's what I wanted to know HammerD :)
HammerD well the amiga de devices all connect to this eventually i think
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HammerD it is 6-8 times FASTER than JIT UAE
tarbos how come?
MpZ AmigaDe is supposed to run on top of it I guess
DrWho HammerD: UAE is GPL
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HammerD drwho.... this isn't UAE
DrWho HammerD: err
JKD is it more like what morphos does ?
RMerlin HammerD: It's using UAE code - not a big difference there
miksuh drdif os is written for x86 naticely then it sure will be lot faster than emulation uae
miksuh drwho
Gary RMerlin: No it isn't.
DrWho HammerD: it's AROS/UAE combined
miksuh natively
HammerD Rmer/Drwho: no it is entirely different. neither of those
RMerlin Gary: Same guy who wrote UAE's JIT?  Sounds just like same code to me
MpZ they're using uae "coders" and that a smarter move imho ;)
Gary RMerlin: Nope, sorry, it isn't UAE.
DrWho HammerD: same guy wrote the UAE JIT implementation?
RMerlin Gary: Unless you tell me he didn't use anything of his previous work, which I doubt
HammerD you know the guy who develoepd the hypercom?
JKD RMerlin: same emulation engine with some native x86 code to speed some stuff up ?
Gary RMerlin: Ask him, he is in c.s.a.a almost every day.
RMerlin JKD: I guess it's at least sharing some of its code
Ryu good god it will soon be 6am
RMerlin JKD: it has a real HAL tho, so it would just be the CPU emulation code
RMerlin Not the hardware emulation code
JKD yeah
HammerD rmer: from my understanding it has 1) nothing to do wtih morph os, or uae, or AROS.
Gary HammerD: Correct
HammerD 2) developed separately
AmigaMMC RMerlin: before making accusations make use you have evicence
AmigaMMC evidence
RMerlin HammerD: By the same guy
HammerD 3) has been in development several years
AmigaMMC make sure
DrWho HammerD: by the same fellow
HammerD Rmer: nope.
miksuh Ryu: its almost 8am here :) But well it's saturday so I can just sleep rest of the day :)
DrWho HammerD: yes it is
AmigaMMC damn typos! :)
xantigrav Gary: AmigaOne is faster than an A4000T 060 and Boxer, Amiga One would be a better faster solution right?
RMerlin AmigaMMC: Believe less hype and try thinking by yourself
HammerD i'm chatting with the author know i an getting the info direct from him
HammerD now
DrWho HammerD: read the UAE page, I've been a tester for quite a while of linux JIT
Ryu miksuh: im at work at 8am :)
RMerlin HammerD: DrWho has been telling for the past hour that it's the same guy who did the JIT
miksuh :)
AmigaMMC RMerlin: I believe whatever I want to believe, you think twice before accusing without knowing
JKD seen it before...you develop one idea...then use all the good parts of that but mostly new codebase....a painful experience if you spent years on your code ;-)
HammerD let me ask
RMerlin AmigaMMC: Accusing?  You make it sound as if I said he did anything wrong.
DrWho HammerD: Bernie Myers, just check the UAE credits page, or read the readme that comes with UAE JIT
RMerlin AmigaMMC: Have you ever programmed anything?
HammerD drwho: ok yes, but this isn't UAE
AmigaMMC RMerlin: you did, keep repeating a doubt you have as if it was a fact
DrWho HammerD: how the hell do you know? are you looking at the code?
AmigaMMC RMerlin: What does it have to do with programming? We're talking ethics, not programming
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Gary are you guys listening to Joe at the show?
HammerD yes
AmigaMMC No, there's no feed
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AmigaMMC Joe who?
RMerlin AmigaMMC: Ethics?  For the second and last time, I never accused him of having done anything WRONG
HammerD drwho: development on this started long before JIT UAE
HammerD maybe JIT UAE is similar
DrWho HammerD: heh I hope so, the same guy wrote it
AmigaMMC RMerlin: you said he's using the same code, do you have evidence?
HammerD drwho: he was only ONE of the guys.
HammerD ok more info
HammerD JIT for uae was his "1st try".
RMerlin AmigaMMC: It needs a CPU emulation with technology to speed it (i.e. a JIT).  He wrote one for UAE.  I asked you if you ever done any programming.
RMerlin Because if you did, then you'd know that you don't write two different program to achieve the same thing - it's not time effective
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DrWho HammerD: yes, and all derivative code released under the GPL must also be released under the GPL
Gary you guys argue about the goofiest things.
RMerlin It's just logic
miksuh DrWho:  what bad is that if they use guy who has experience on programming like that if they can use it what he knows
AmigaMMC Rmerlin: and once again I tell you that before making such a statement you must be 100% sure that he is using the same code
miksuh nothing
HammerD drwho: not if he started from scratch
DrWho Gary: I was getting to the selling of it
DrWho releasing it for free without license violations is fine
DrWho and source
DrWho if it is a GPL'ed software
RMerlin AmigaMMC: If you want to play it that way... Prove me he didn't?
Gary It isn't GPL code to my knowldge.
RMerlin I used logic to argument - what will you use?
Calen how does the fit in with the plans of amigaone "ppc" ?, is there a benefit of an x86 amiga os over it...and how ?  "im tired so go easy on me pls" :-)
Gary RMerlin: Trolling?
Maxx "goofiest things"... nice description of this argument 8P
Lodosswar I wonder how many times I said it was chromatic that was the "mmc" heh... go fig.  Oh well, that's nVidia for you.
MpZ u're arguing for the pleasure of it
AmigaMMC RMerlin: you're the one making the accusation therefore you're the one who has to prove it. Ever taken law courses?
DrWho Gary: UAE and AROS (I think, some confusion there) are GPL'ed
lo0 DrWho: if you write something, make a gpl version, write something new.. why is that than also gpl ?
tarbos calen: maybe it's just keeping alive the remaining amiga companies?
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RMerlin AmigaMMC: What has law courses to do with programming!?
DrWho lo0: it's not
Gary DrWho: No one said anything about being UAE or AROS.
Gary Not me, not Bill.
RMerlin AmigaMMC: Ethics?  For the THIRD, I never accused him of having done anything WRONG
MpZ who cares, it's better than uae and merged with a native AmigaX86 os, that's enough for me
AmigaMMC RMerlin: DID I say that>
AmigaMMC ?
DrWho lo0: if you write something and make derivative works from it under the GPL it's GPL'ed
RMerlin AmigaMMC: "Accusing" and "laws" are JUST that.
AmigaMMC Rmelrin: did I say you accused him of doing something wrong>
Ryu how much longer is this going on for?
Gary DrWho: I am almost positive it has zero to do with GPL since we are talking about selling it.
miksuh MpZ: I aggree
HammerD Gary: have pricing yet for Amiga OS x86?
RMerlin Gary: Where will the nVIDIA driver come from?
DrWho Gary: ok, because people will disasseble it for sure to check
Gary HammerD: No, not to my knowledge.
lo0 DrWho: i ask your for *write some new*
DrWho disassemble
HammerD my understanding is they are using a NATIVE implementation of the graphics subsystem
DrWho GPL nazi's exist all over
Gary DrWho: I didn't write it so I don't care whether they do or not.
HammerD i'll let gary say which subsystem that is ;)
lo0 DrWho: are you paranoid ?
DrWho Gary: and so if they prove it uses GPL'ed code you will respect the license
Maxx "GPL nazi`s" ?!
Gary DrWho: It isn't MY app. Ask Harald and Bernie.
HammerD drwho i think you're being a bit extreme
RMerlin Maxx: Yeah.  The kind that floods Slashdot if you use one single line taken from a GPL program, and use it in a sold program. :)
DrWho HammerD: no
RMerlin Maxx: Typically, red-hat wearing goons show up at your doors within 24 hours.
JKD No-one expects the GPL Nazis.....
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Ture I guess there has been a statement about Amiga OS running under x86... is that true?
HammerD Ture: yes.  you can buy it Nov. 1st!!
miksuh yep
RMerlin Ture: Yeah, just look at the amount of cum over HamemrD's keyboard.
RMerlin Disgusting.
RMerlin Yuck.
HammerD at least here is no crust on mine.... :)
RMerlin He hasn't shot his load like this since they announced the Gateway buyout I believe.
Maxx RMerlin: youre "well informed" as it seems 8) about HammerD`s keyboard that is 8)
Ryu ewwwww do you mind
HammerD you creamed yourself over gates
Gary RMerlin: I don't understand, if you hate what we are doing so much, why are you here worrying about it so?  :)
RMerlin Gary: As I said, it's not about hate, it's about trying to understand.  I hate mysteries. :)
DrWho Gary: emotional investment in what the amiga was
JKD heh...get the announcements up on amiga.com
Dirk-B nice balls
HammerD gary: you typing the press releases now????? :)
Ture Is there any place where I can get the facts from AmiWest?
Gary HammerD: No, Bill gets back on Tuesday and they will go up around then.
HammerD Ture: you can download the speech once bill is done talking
DrWho Ture: probably too early for that yet
RMerlin Actually, there was another time where HammerD was so excited
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RMerlin Was when JKay promised something BIG!
HammerD Rmer, drop it
DrWho RMerlin: which time
RMerlin :)
RMerlin You recall?
HammerD Rmer this isn't the time or place....goto #amiga
RMerlin BIG!
DrWho Walker is revived
RMerlin :)
Ture So what is the biggest news?
OSS542 We've got a big net coming up soon with another couple hundred of machines in it....right now I've only got two Amigas in it....mine....
HammerD Rmer if you are so hating this, why are you on this channel?
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* DrWho is in the market for a new vacuum cleaner
miksuh Ture: sure the AmigaOS x86
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RMerlin DrWho: And they tell me that I'm the hating one? :)
RMerlin Life ain't fair
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* Calen gonna read up on it tommorrow, hopefully more questions answered and for us all to understand more :/ 6am here :(
DrWho RMerlin: funny thing is you've made more of a contribution to the amiga then any of those who call you a hating one
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HammerD drwho: rmerlin turned away from amiga long ago.
RMerlin DrWho: Shrug.  At work they say I'm an MS hater.  On IRC they say I'm a MS lover.
DrWho though now your a pc boy
AmigaMMC HammerD: That's what I asked him?
HammerD AmigaMCC ?
«Quit» Calen (johno@host213-122-151-65.btinternet.com) is weggegaan (nite).
DrWho be nice if H&P put your name and other's names who contribute back in the OS though
Ryu its 6am
AmigaMMC HammerD: what he's doing here
RMerlin DrWho: Don't remind me.  It was one (in fact, the only one) condition when I gave them my sources.
HammerD Amiga: who Bill Mc? sitll talking
DrWho since you guys did it for free
DrWho newlook and caldi got cut out too so don't feel bad
miksuh damn audio please please work now
DrWho miksuh: still working here
Ryu someone here works for H&P?
Ture Which version of Amiga OS will be ported to X86?
miksuh DrWho: most of the time here too but it drops connection sometimes
miksuh like now :(
HammerD Ture: 3.9 i believe
ittel audio hasn't worked here yet
HammerD ittel: audio is up now
Ryu audio is up here
HammerD i'm listening
miksuh could be my connection too, people in our student dormitory are waking up, so more and more people use this network :)
ittel I know it is. But it's not working here-.
ittel damn StreAmi just connects, says it's playing and then drops the connection.
ittel works on other streams
Ture Any dates for Amiga OS4?
JKD I assume all the extra stuff is the excuse why Amiga One OS4.x slips at least as far as November then ?
HammerD Tur: november 1, 2001 for ppc and x86 and amigaone hardware
HammerD jkd earlier he said they were 2 weeks behind on amiga one
Lodosswar tekmage: focus please
JKD 2 weeks behind nov 1st?..or `2 more weeks` :)
aardvark Hey focus the webcam!
Wendell Lodosswar: ya mean it's not supposed to look like that?   ;-)
miksuh yep it's a bit blurry :)
Ryu just a bit
miksuh that cam i mean :)
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RMerlin He'll tell you himself :)
JKD tek put the cam in his head...we are seeing thru` his crack head eyes ;-)
miksuh Ryu: :)
Maxx aardvark: why? any fit bird ?
Maxx ;)
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Jkay BIG !!
DrWho2 err missed Matlock, good conversation
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JKD B I G !
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RMerlin What did I tell you? :)
Dirk-B tekmage: dont focus, show some more stuff :)
JKD lol
Ture 1st of November sounds good! Have there been any demos or screenshots shown during the show?
«Quit» OSS542 (~jhart@133.186.80.57) is weggegaan ([x]chat).
* AmigaMMC has absolutely no clue of what Bill is talking about
HammerD some amiga de apps
AmigaMMC This is the worst feed I ever got
AmigaMMC and I have cable
HammerD amigamcc: I am streaming and recording it all so it should be fine.
HammerD i'll make it available for download
JKD be a laugh to see CB Quake on AmigaOS x86 outpace an 060 :)
AmigaMMC HammerD: let me know where you post it
DrWho2 HammerD: with the chops
miksuh AmigaMMC: T1 here, but our connection to outside Finland isn't quite that fast
HammerD i'lll post it on ann.lu where to get it
Gary Bill wil be back here in Snoqualmie on Tuesday and we will get PR up on the site around then or before.
tekmage I stoped the audio
Lodosswar HammerD: thanks
tarbos is it over?
HammerD drwho: ya
DrWho2 ok find a better line tommorrow
Gary I need to run, sick wife takes precendence.
HammerD audio is over
Ryu what time tomorrow again?
tarbos ok
Ryu 10am?
tarbos thx tek
DrWho2 later Gary
tekmage 11
MpZ bye Gary
tekmage bye Gary
Gary Cya all you guys in the funny papers.  :)
HammerD later
AmigaMMC night
miksuh bye Gary
HammerD tekmage: hey
Wendell seeya  Gary!
AmigaMMC Gary: You have a sec?
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Lodosswar Gary: thanks again
JKD cheers for attending Gary
Gary sure, but not long.
Gary I am late getting home to check on the wife.
Ryu right 11 it is
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«Quit» ittel (~letti@pc3214.public.htk.fi) is weggegaan (USS PotkuStartti).
DrWho2 yea thanks for stopping buy
AmigaMMC Gary: ok, we'll talk later
HammerD the stream is 9 megs
tarbos 76min
«Quit» ophion (~newbie@c1598177-a.sprgfld1.mo.home.com) is weggegaan ().
Gary OK, I hate to do it, but she has been really sick. Almost lost her to a rogue infection from a bad dentist or bad batch of novacaine.
Gary I'll be around tomorrow.
miksuh HammerD: I would like to have it :)
Dirk-B HammerD:  can we download it from somewhere?
HammerD i'm seeing  how clean it is
HammerD so far no chop
Wendell yikes take care of her Gary
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HammerD i have 77 minutes ;)
AmigaMMC cool
AmigaMMC How big is the file?
RMerlin BIG!
tarbos 9mb
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AmigaMMC Can you send me a copy in DCC?
Maxx bit late ittel 8)
miksuh someone put that stream somewhere were we can download it
HammerD geez it didn't compress very good
HammerD 3%
miksuh if you dpnät want to dcc it to everyone :)
ittel Maxx: who what where?
tarbos hehe
AmigaMMC HammerD: Can you send me a copy in DCC?
miksuh don't
HammerD anyone have a high bandwidth web server? :)
HammerD hold
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Nian whats happened?
«Quit» DrWho (~MIKE@216.89.193.34) is weggegaan (Ping timeout).
ittel 10Mbps enough?
HammerD transferring it to my amiga
«Quit» blubberboy (tony_rundl@015.hob0104.hob.iprimus.net.au) is weggegaan (Ping timeout).
Dirk-B hmmmmm Amigaaaaaa
HammerD ok audio stream is good. no chop on it
AmigaMMC good
Lodosswar gb nod
Ryu yeah what I saved is good too
Zerohero great
AmigaMMC please, I need a copy for Quantum Leap
HammerD i'll put this on my FTP SITE
AmigaMMC So I can put the news right away
Maxx "high bandwidth" yes.. but i wonder if it would exceed the ratio 8) you never know, suddenly there are many amigans leeching it even though you never spot some if you need them 8)
Lodosswar hey luca, going to do a transcript?
AmigaMMC Lodosswar: yes
Lodosswar k, need some help?
AmigaMMC Lodosswar: we could split the work :)
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Lodosswar AmigaMMC: that's what I'm thinking.
HammerD ok
HammerD its on my FTP SITE
HammerD 24.42.253.120
AmigaMMC what the address?
AmigaMMC ok
aardvark Yeah, I like transcripts
HammerD login: amiga pass amiga
Lodosswar make it smaller that way...
AmigaMMC I got so many tapes from S.Louis...
Lodosswar AmigaMMC: do you have my email addy still?
Nian anyone actually happen?
HammerD anyone getting it off my FTP ? is it downloading?
AmigaMMC HammerD: How do I insert the pass and user on IE? I get an error, no anonimous user allowed
MpZ thx HammerD
Lodosswar Nian: along with x86 AmigaOS, OS4 will be out Nov 1st.
RMerlin Hey, what filesystem is used to access that HAL anyway? :)
ittel HammerD: yes
Maxx HammerD: yes
MpZ I'm fxping to my site
Maxx 8)
RMerlin Or did that guy also wrote his own filesystem, all from scratch? :)
MpZ then it'll be available on my http site
Nian Lodosswar: Who announced this? and will the x86 amigaos be the same as the OS4?
AmigaMMC yes
AmigaMMC Bill McEwen
Lodosswar Nian: Bill M did.
Nian any recoding of this availiable?
Wendell hammerd: downloading it right now!
AmigaMMC HammerD: How do I insert the pass and user on IE? I get an error, no anonimous user allowed
Wendell thanks
Maxx lol
Ryu right time for me to get some sleep b4 I drop dead with exhaustion
Ryu nite all
AmigaMMC HammerD: How do I insert the pass and user on IE? I get an error, no anonimous user allowed
«Kick» AmigaMMC is van dit kanaal geschopt door Darxide: Colourcodes are *not* appreciated here!
Dirk-B HammerD: it is downloading, ± ½ hour
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Lodosswar Nian: yeah, working on it...
Wendell nite Ryu
Nian k
AmigaMMC any help would be appreciated
Nian the sounds all good and propper but does that mean that ppc code won't run on the x86 amigaos and the x86 amigaos will that be capable of pure x86 code?
Zerohero AmigaMMC: amiga@amiga:24.42.253.120
Nian bloody stupid
«Quit» Ryu (~Ryu@modem-1011.mussel.dialup.pol.co.uk) is weggegaan (Your dammed if you do, and your dammed if you dont :)).
DrWho2 Nian: it's undoubtedly 68k only
DrWho2 it's a linux kernel that runs UAE JIT
tarbos yes, because ainc hates ppc ;)
MpZ AmigaMMC: ftp://amiga:amiga@24.42.253.120
Nian DrWho2: Then its useless.
«Nick» tekmage is nu bekend als caldi_lives.
Nian nothing more than Winuae on boot up.
ittel HammerD: why is that ftp so slow :)
JKD tarbos: nobody rising to the bait there ;-)
AmigaMMC Keep getting "The page cannot be displayed
Lodosswar caldi_lives: sup man!
miksuh Nian: it wont be uae
Nian miksuh: same thing
miksuh Nian: it wont be winuae
miksuh :)
Zerohero AmigaMMC: ftp://amiga:amiga@24.42.253.120/keynote.mp3
Manowar probably X86 hardware will need a PCI PPC Board for executing PPC stuff
Dirk-B caldi_lives:  have you got some more device to show?
Nian miksuh: same idea.
RMerlin Nian: But from someone who wrote code in UAE.
«Nick» JKD is nu bekend als JKD_afk.
* RMerlin chuckles.
AmigaMMC damn! Too many users
Maxx "don`t try to display it - just download it, stupid application" 8)
Nian RMerlin: Exactly. just a rewrite.
miksuh well if I would write one game
Zerohero Maxx: :)
Nian mind you if they make a ppc pci card I'm all for it.
miksuh and then I would write another a bit similar
miksuh it would not mean it would be same game :)
Maxx Nian: if you think you can afford it...
miksuh but ofcourse it makes sence to use already done work
RMerlin miksuh: But you'd keep the same disk loader to save time
miksuh why reinvent the wheel
Nian Maxx: well if it uses generic pc hardware and a basic ppc pci card ofcourse I could.
Manowar shark ppc from elbox can be used for this purpose
RMerlin miksuh: Now you're being an Amiga hater. :)
Lodosswar yeehaw!  Zippin away at 5.06kb/sec!  this is fast! (sigh - used to dsl)
miksuh RMerlin: I'm not :)
-Darxide- 'Macintosh' A mac is designed for the inexperienced computer user, made large so that it can't be accidentally inserted in the rectum, and with rounded edges in case somebody manages to do it anyway.
HammerD ok i've posted the server info to ann.lu
Nian still they better make sure its not booting off a linux or fat fs.
Wendell darx: haha!
HammerD my cable modem is maxxed out :)
HammerD i've limited the server to 10 users
RMerlin HammerD: Post something too about a new keyboard. :)
HammerD rmer, i didn't catch that... :)
miksuh I'm sure that mahm 4MB downloaded
ittel HammerD: I'll put it on 10Mbps http after I get it here :) (which will take a while it seems)
miksuh argh
miksuh hm 4MB downloaded
HammerD ittel: ok
HammerD spread it around.... :)
HammerD 9 people on my ftp :)
HammerD one free slot
AmigaMMC HammerD: I was the first to ask and now I'm the one that is left out :(*
Nian I hope they use amd instead of intel.
tarbos zero day warez - spread it ;)
«Nick» caldi_lives is nu bekend als tekmage.
tekmage night everyone
HammerD there should be one spot left ;)
AmigaMMC AMD kicks ass
tekmage see you tomorrow
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Nian actually I hope they just keep on using ppc.
AmigaMMC 1.3Ghz AMD is faster than 1.7Mhz P4
tarbos amigammc: depends
MpZ but less stable
miksuh i wonder what bplan, eyetech and Merlancia will think about this ...
Lodosswar Nian: they will, that's what AmigaOne is for.
AmigaMMC less stable?
MpZ yep :/
AmigaMMC always used AMD and it rocks
HammerD wonder what laire will say :)
Lodosswar miksuh: Merlancia was there
TheBarron huhuhuhu.. less stable... huhuh
MpZ my personal experience here
miksuh Lodosswar: oh ok, i missed it then
AmigaMMC HammerD: ehehehe
Lodosswar don't know about bplan or eyetech though.
xantigrav Manowar: Good idea
AmigaMMC MpZ: My personal experience is quite different
MpZ I see
tarbos hammerd: "big changes in strategy coming in the next few weeks" was the last thing i heard
HammerD shit i can't even get into my ftp server :)
HammerD too many useres
HammerD tarbos  yes
miksuh hehe
Manowar I think BPlan will be happy..they will push MorphOS more
MpZ lol
Nian Lodosswar: The problem is that now we have 3 amigaos variants all been developed by different people...
Lodosswar should be interesting to see, I hope that DCE comes out with an AmigaOne solution for current PPC users though.
Lodosswar Nian: yeah I know...
miksuh Nian: And we waited many years whitout any :)
Nian Lodosswar: Bloody stupid idea.
Manowar Pegasos is the solution
AmigaMMC Solution for what?
miksuh it's like with those pci-busboards, furst we none then we have a bit too many of them :)
Nian they need a work around.
MpZ eh, archimedes os is the solution
miksuh we have
MpZ final solution
Manowar but I doubt that PEgasos will run AmigaOS
AmigaMMC no Basic V2 is the solution!
ittel Solution for those who have too much money lying around
MpZ rofl
AmigaMMC lol, yes
Lodosswar Nian: I can't say that... right now I really really really miss my Amiga bad (4000TPPC)
tarbos ittel: why, it's said to be cheap
Nian If they developed the emulation code for x86 and then it boots up the same amigaos thats the only good way
Nian Lodosswar: Get it back then.
Lodosswar Nian: it's not emulation, I can tell you that.
Manowar any details about how AmigaOS 4.x will work on X86 ?
Nian Lodosswar: What do you think JIT is?
Nian dh
Lodosswar Manowar: I'm still mostly in the dark about all of it.
MpZ we shall wait and see Manowar.
«Nick» UltraGelb is nu bekend als BlegArtlu.
Nian the same as amigade not been an emulation, it emulates a virtual system.
Lodosswar Nian: JIT is only a layer, it's not a part of the emulation... you can still run UAE without JIT.
Nian Lodosswar: Use your brain./
miksuh Nian: AmigaDe wont emulate anything
«Quit» TheBarron (~bmonroe@5.lv-pm.intcon.net) is weggegaan (you suck).
Wendell nite folks be back tomorrow,,,
Lodosswar Nian: duh... Nian... I am using my brain...
miksuh AmigaDE apps are translated to nativecode when they are loaded
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miksuh it's not emulation
Lodosswar miksuh: thank you.
Nian its just another way of emulating something
RMerlin BIG!
Lodosswar you can't take the JIT engine and use it to emulate anything... it's a layer that translates information over to native code in a "Just In Time" manner.
Lodosswar JIT is nothing without the core emulation.
AmigaMMC Nian: it's not emulating anything, it's more like compiling on the fly
DrWho2 AmigaMMC: it's a method of emulation
HammerD if your download has finished please disconnect :)
Nian just another trick in the emulating book
AmigaMMC DrWho: Emulation of what? What is the VP emulating?
RMerlin Yeah, a JIT, like what's-in-UAE-but-not-like-UAE-nor-using-the-same-JIT-code-as-UAE
Manowar Sam Jordan was in UAE team
RMerlin ;)
miksuh DrWho2: then why don't you call Java JIT-compilers as emulators ?
Manowar is
DrWho2 AmigaMMC: a CPU
AmigaMMC what CPU?
Nian miksuh: it is
DrWho2 the Virtual Processor
miksuh no it is not
Nian bullshit
HammerD drwho: there is no chop in my saved mp3 file...lucky...
DrWho2 HammerD: hmm, great
AmigaMMC IT *IS* the virtual processor, now you're telling me that it's emulating itself?
ittel HammerD: we would've spanked you if there would've been :)
AmigaMMC yeah!
AmigaMMC :)
«Topic» HammerD zet het onderwerp op AmiWEST Show http://ugn.amiga.org for connection details. Keynote online. see www.ann.lu for details.
miksuh hee i downloaded it
miksuh :)
HammerD mik: then disconnect :)
DrWho2 AmigaMMC: yes, it translates calls to the Virtual Processor to calls to the native hardware
miksuh HammerD: done :)
HammerD mik: ok :)
DrWho2 miksuh: JIT is a faster form of a JVM, just different methodologies to accomplish the same task
DrWho2 in java speak
DrWho2 which emulates a processor in software
Lodosswar oh boy... java speak... smile
ittel http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/letti/keynote.mp3
Nian so this amigaos for x86, will it run amigaos4 after booting the virtual amiga or will it be completely different>?
AmigaMMC VP is not a JVM
DrWho2 what's the difference then
miksuh DrWho2: if something creates native code and then tht native code is executed then it is not emulating anything
Zerohero ittel: thank you, that's a bit faster :)
Manowar I wonder if Sam Jordan`s 68k emulation is ported to X86 ?
Nian When someone calls a rose a house I still call it a rose.
DrWho2 they both translate/emulate calls to a CPU to the native CPU
miksuh DrWho2: you can think bytecode as a source code
DrWho2 JVM is an interpreter, JIT does other tricks, some things faster some things slower but on the whole a gain over an interpreter
Lodosswar Nian: I don't know to be honest with you.  I'm trying to gather more information on it to give an accurate response to how it will work.
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DrWho2 miksuh: java bytecode doesn't work without an emulation layer (interpreter,JIT)
«Quit» Ingo (ingo@p3EE080E2.dip.t-dialin.net) is weggegaan (later..).
DrWho2 neither does pcode
Nian I'm all for it if its anigaos 4+ and is the same os as the ppc version but with a ppc pci card in a pc. but anything else and I call it a big fat negative.
Lodosswar nod... pcode is native for the processor, not the virtual processor.
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miksuh hmm it might be time to go sleep, I have not slept in who night :)
miksuh whole
Nian ittel: That url doesn't work.
Manowar some OS3.9 stuff is ported to C. exec, ffs, e.t.c...maybe they will compile both X86 and PPC versions
«Quit» Lodosswar (~abuse@adsl-65-64-102-92.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net) is weggegaan (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
DrWho2 pcode = pseudo code, what vp compilers generate, and the VP interpretes to native code
ittel Nian: sure it does. Reload.
RMerlin They thinkered with the filesystem and the executive?
* RMerlin shudders.
RMerlin There goes your reliability ;)
Dirk-B miksuh: i have slept from 0.00 till 3.00 ;)
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miksuh :)
Nian there goes compatibility.
miksuh it's beautiful sun shine here though, maybe i just drink more coffee :)
miksuh and go out :)
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Nian ittel: nope it doesn't
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ittel Nian: well it works here and even  Zerohero got it working
«Quit» Manowar (sinangurka@212.146.158.192) is weggegaan (Client exiting).
miksuh is that cam going to be on again sometimes ? :)
miksuh more people talking :)
Dirk-B miksuh: i stay in, and make some stuff for amiga-news.de
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miksuh :)
Nian ittel: well negative here.
«Nick» Kreton is nu bekend als KreFude.
tarbos cu
ittel Nian: damn. Pieces of internet missing between you and the server then :)
«Quit» tarbos (tarbos@pD9E1D7F4.dip.t-dialin.net) is weggegaan (cooling down).
MpZ bye ppl, cya later :)
Nian ittel: well then your missing australia
«Quit» MpZ (ATOMO@r-na057-2-110.tin.it) is weggegaan (*puff*).
ittel Nian: doesn't bother me a bit :)
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Caricon Hello.
Spook hello
«Quit» Nian (~Nian@ter2-d45.sprint.net.au) is weggegaan (Client Exiting).
Caricon trying to find out more about the announcment of the Classic OS for the x86 platform.
Spook is anyone chatting or is my connection really slow?
Lodosswar Spook: nod, some are here...
ittel download http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/letti/keynote.mp3 audio stream from AmiWest, 9 megs or so.
Spook can i play it streaming?
ittel nope
Lodosswar you can if you have pfs3... 8^)
Caricon I don't have my sound hooked up right now.
ittel that was saved from the stream
Spook lodo: i was just checking back for any new news, im off like a brides nightie then.
Spook hooroo
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Lodosswar smile... like the prom dress does just after the prom... gotta love it.
RMerlin BIG!
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ittel Nian: I was told that the dns is a bit broken, so might be just that...
«Quit» Vinnny (vinnny@dynip364.kis.ru) is weggegaan (Switching server).
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OSS542 no sound ?
Dirk-B sound and video has stopt
OSS542 oops
OSS542 what happened ?
ittel Nian: try http://130.233.24.169/letti/keynote.mp3 then
Lodosswar anyway... I'm outta here... AmigaMMC: let me know via email how your transcript goes.
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Dirk-B Amiga OS for PPC and x86 + A1 out at 1 nov 2001
ittel Nian: does that work?
Caricon so, just about this OS for the x86.. is it hosted, or something you can install right on a x86
OSS542 nothing from http://130.233.24.169/letti/keynote.mp3 either
ittel bummer.
ittel both urls work here
«Quit» AmigaMMC (none@24.241.158.25) is weggegaan ().
ittel hmh. so let's try another server then.
Dirk-B AmigaMMC: it is in, tanks a lot
ittel http://www.iki.fi/letti/keynote.mp3 any good?