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From:         Bernd Rakel
Reply-To:     Bernd.Rakel@bigfoot.de
To:           petra.struck@online-club.de
Date:         Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:23:25 +0200
Subject:      Iwin

Hallo Petra

Da ich einer der Betatester von Iwin bin, teile ich dir hiermit
offiziell mit, daß die ersten Teile der von der Firma Iwin
angekündigten Materialien angekommen sind, und zwar zu 100% wie
angekündigt.

Erwarte noch in dieser Woche die restlichen Teile aus USA, sie sind
wohl schon beim Zoll eingegangen.

Dies habe ich bereits auch in d.c.s.a.m gepostet.

Bis denn ...

Mit freundlichem Gruss
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Reply-To:        "Computer City" info@compcity.nl
From:            "Computer City" info@compcity.nl
To:              petra.struck@online-club.de
Subject:         Iwin premises
Date:            Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:13:06 +0200

Dear Mrs. Struck,

Below is a link to some pictures we received from Martin Steinbach. They
were taken yesterday at the Iwin premises.

http://www.compcity.nl/amiga/iwin.htm

We doubted Iwin very much and at first we didn't mean to enter the
discussion. But now we have received more information from Mr. Steinbach and
customers even want to pre-order. Therefor we want to share our findings.
Since there has been a lively discussion on c.s.a.m. about Iwin being real
or not, I think most people would like to take a look at these.

Now a lot has been said about Iwin, and not many of it was positive. What I
wonder is how everyone would have reacted some years ago however, before all
the disappointments of promised Amigas that never appeared.

Of course, one could set up a hoax as big as this and go through all the
trouble and costs of making it believable. We tend to think this one is for
real, however.

If we are wrong we'll just have to compliment Iwin with obtaining such
believability. But if we're right the Iwin C-series might just be what a lot
of people are waiting for.

Yours,
Ron van Herk,
Computer City
info@compcity.nl

From:         Petra Struck
Reply-To:     petra.struck@online-club.de
To:           Computer City info@compcity.nl
Date:         Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:58:07 +0200
Subject:      Re: Iwin premises


Computer City (info@compcity.nl)
wrote on: 09-Sep-99 at 11:13:06
subject:  Iwin premises

Dear Mr. van Herk,

thank you for sharing your information. However, pictures of some office
building, taken by Mr. Steinbach himself, are of little value as proof
for the credibility of Iwin. So far, Iwin presented webpages, claims,
mails, and photos that could have been taken anywhere around the world.
As long as there are no products available from Iwin, we will doubt
their credibitlity.

This doesn't mean we won't be excited to see Iwin's claims to come true.
It's just that they have been presented in such an unlikely manner that
we still are in doubt.

So far, we have not recieved positive confirmation about Iwin's credi-
bility from someone we trust. Until this happens, our position towards
Iwin will not change.

Best Regards
Petra Struck
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in deutsch:
danke, daß Sie Ihre Informationen geteilt haben. Allerdings sind Bilder
irgendeines Bürogebäudes, aufgenommen von Mr. Steinbach selbst, als
Beweis für die Glaubwürdigkeit von Iwin von geringem Wert. So lange es
keine verfügbaren Produkte von Iwin gibt, werden wir deren Glaubwürdig-
keit anzweifeln.

Das soll nicht heißen, daß wir nicht aufgeregt wären, sollten Iwins
Behauptungen Wahrheit werden. Es ist nur so, daß sie in derart
unwahrscheinlicher Weise präsentiert wurden, daß wir an ihnen zweifeln
müssen.

Bis jetzt haben wir keine Bestätigung von Iwin's Glaubwürdigkeit von
jemandem erhalten, dem wir vertrauen. Bis dies geschieht, wird sich
unsere Haltung gegenüber Iwin nicht ändern.