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KOSH [Kommunity Orientated Software Hardware]

Weekly Summary

Week Commencing: 17th April 1999

Number: 017

Mailing List: kosh-general

In the mailing list this week, the following items were discussed. Please do
not email the scribe regarding any of these topics, it is not his job to answer
these questions but merely to report  the topics of conversation. If you have
any queries about this summary, please email ben@kosh.net, stating the Summary
Number, and Mailing List Name, and he will try to answer your queries.

a)

Subject: Eye tracking cameras

Summary of debate: It would be forward thinking of KOSH to support eye tracking
                   cameras natively, rather than as an added kludge to certain
                   existing systems.

                   See: http://www.visioncs.com/ re: a commercial gaze tracker.

                   It was suggested that on screen a mouse pointer could still
                   be required so that you would know where you are looking at.
                   However, such a system may not work as if the cursor isn't
                   always exactly where you're looking, you'd start to follow
                   it with your eyes and create a runaway feedback loop.

                   Bite-on switches or ear muscle tension systems were offered
                   as an alternative to blinking to select icons on a screen,
                   as the eyes must blink naturally and this could cause
                   confusion.

                   It was stated that brainwave reading is progressing fast, a
                   "click" can already be read. This yet again shows that there
                   are many alternative ways to controlling input to a
                   computer.

                   Could the Artificial Muscle Research Institute help with the
                   realization of haptic display gloves? The idea suggested was
                   for a shoulder length glove that allowed the user to feel
                   virtual holographic objects, push them around, sculpt
                   computer graphics like clay and have a virtual keyboard.
                   See the AMRIs URL at: http://www.unm.edu/~amri/index.html

                   (Scribe's note: I've decided to take the liberty of
                   mentioning directly here for people who may only read the
                   summaries and not the whole General ML that all of the above
                   does not mean the end of the computer mouse - if you want to
                   use one with KOSH it will of course be perfectly possible to
                   do so).


b)

Subject: KOSH design standards

Summary of debate: It was stated and restated that design standards for KOSH
                   are to be open - viewable and usable by all.

                   It was asked what common standards are people going to have
                   to adhere to in designing items for KOSH?

                   Joel Newkirk resuggested a "Standards Working Group".

                   Suggested standards to determine initially were
                   communications, media and hardware. For these APIs will be
                   needed.

                   A generic image class could be developed and then formats
                   like GIF, PNG, BMP, IFF/ILBM etc fall out as subclasses -
                   perhaps with restrictions which may need thinking about.

                   Suggested five basic types of standards (Sound, Image,
                   Movie, Text, Settings) could possibly make up most normal
                   formats needed. Further, could we make a quick
                   design/requirement of these five?

                   It was commented that would these types hold up in current
                   usage? For example, the whole of a magazine could be one
                   file - including bitmaps, structured images, fonts, masks,
                   text layout etc. The large structure is on top of the
                   individual elements, but all the parts are functionally
                   linked and not just separate items.

                   The method of transmitting the instructions for creating
                   data needs to be considered. The example given was that of a
                   MIDI file which requires an interpreter with local knowledge
                   as opposed to a a WAV which contains the data itself.

                   Suitable low level objects might be n-dimensional arrays of
                   integers. At the next level up, these might be labelled as
                   representing sound samples, stock market trends, bitmaps or
                   GUI windows etc.


c)

Subject KOSH Hybrids

Summary of debate: Perhaps it could be possible to combine object types to
                   make hybrids, eg: image + sound = movie.

                   An image can be flat 2D, a 3D array or X by Y by RGB; a
                   multilayered Photoshop/ArtEffect projects or many other
                   occurrences. A database is equally complex - with this is
                   mind the "hybrid" is the norm.

                   Would the IFF list of forms be of any help for the hybrids?

                   It was then stated by the original proposer of hybrids that
                   perhaps it would be better to make (for example) a Movie
                   basic class and then let it use the Sound and Image basic
                   classes.


d)

Subject: Small tools for KOSH and cross application compatibility

Summary of debate: Suggested that Unix like commands like WC should be
                   implemented in KOSH. Further by nature of the fact that KOSH
                   uses objects and not files, the wordprocessed object would
                   listen to wordprocessor methods when the wordprocessor loads
                   it. If it was made a subclass of "ASCII file" (or Unicode or
                   UTF-8 etc) you could  process the ASCII representation
                   (or Unicode or UTF-8) in a KOSH version of "WC" or "Emacs".


e)

Subject: KOSH compatibility with the wider world

Summary of debate: There will definitely be some sort of "customs agent" for
                   this. This may well be complicated or perhaps there would be
                   several of them.

                   This would build an appropriate file object for any items
                   downloaded or loaded from hard media (floppy, CD etc). An
                   API as part of this would be a standardized place for things
                   like virus checkers to be added.

                   A browser could even be very simple. It needs a simple
                   display engine and the ability to interpret the web and
                   translate it into objects. These objects (those five
                   mentioned above and the specialised subclasses) then display
                   themselves. This would make "plug-ins" redundant as once a
                   class for that type of media was on a system it could
                   display or use it.

                   The Emulator Object could be a part of the chain of
                   subclasses from the base classes. This could save a lot of
                   special cases which would promote simplicity.

                   Suggested that the emulation could be split into common
                   parts and into the instruction sets of the processors in
                   question. To do this the emulation of, for example movie
                   formats, could be put into the movies chain of subclassing.
                   The emulation should be last in the chain and should scan
                   the different plug-ins (or equivalent) available and use
                   them.

f)

Subject: Designing KOSH APIs

Summary of debate: It was mentioned that APIs will be needed for a number of
                   things described above. KOSHans could work on these now as
                   it is not necessary to know the final binary form of an
                   object in order to work out the methods and data structures
                   that can optimally manage such a thing.

                   The design of a serial port was mentioned. See:
                   http://www.sei.cmu.edu, search for "product line
                   architecture" which goes into the question of what you can
                   have in common between designs (eg: sending and receiving
                   data) and what you need to vary for each special occasion
                   (eg: you can't do the same thing to the serial port as you
                   can to your USB port).

                   Suggested we establish some clearinghouse for API
                   recommendations - perhaps a working group could oversee
                   that.


g)

Subject: KOSH Object Manager

Summary of debate: Dave Haynie has said that he hope to get a paper on this
                   done by June or July. After this a prototypical
                   demonstration Object Manager can be hacked together.

                   Then we want the floodgates loosed and all of the pieces of
                   the OS to be developed.


h)

Subject: KOSH Driver factory

Summary of debate: It was proposed that a "driver factory" that could enable
                   its users to choose the appropriate "standard" class to work
                   from, and make various associations and connections quickly
                   and simply, and then write any necessary code to support
                   additions or modifications.

                   This would make developing for KOSH easier and thus hardware
                   developers would be more likely to develop for the system.
                   The "driver factory" could be part of a developer support
                   package or program.


i)

Subject: Furthering KOSH

Summary of debate: Fleecy Moss has suggested that we need to move to a more
                   concentrated stage in KOSH where we can proceed without
                   distraction. To this end he has suggested two things:

                   1) A formal documentation and version control system so we
                   can all work together in a remote environment,

                   2) KOSH will start as a formal specification of its
                   individual parts and its environment. Once the
                   specifications are out, anyone with a mind can produce the
                   individual pieces themselves. What is required is a formal
                   specification language to define the interfaces.

                   Fleecy further detailed other things that are required:

                   a) One of the things to be identified is the Basic Sea
                   Services Set, the minimal services provided by the cybersea
                   that are required for the sea to exist.

                   b) The services pages also contains a lot of other services.
                   A write up for each of them listing what we would like them
                   to do would be a first stage to moving forwards.

                   c) BOSS - Basic OS Services - this entity is the gateway
                   between the logical sea and the physical matrix beneath.
                   someone to have a go at defining the Basic OS Services
                   required by the sea.

                   d) A development strategy - perhaps this should be phased,
                   with the early phases seeing us implement KOSH as an
                   application.
                   The BOSS can be a thin server, mapping KOSH to an underlying
                   kernal, which is suggested as being POSIX compliant, running
                   on an x86 - this enables us to use Linux and all of its
                   tools and x86s, which are the dominant computer, and the one
                   most ppl have access to at this time.
                   Whilst KOSH is supposed to be hardware independent, the
                   implementation of a neutral distribution format will have to
                   wait until a later phase.
                   Suggested that were possible KOSH should be defined and
                   implemented using XML. We need more information and a
                   coherent plan, positives and negatives.

                   e) We can do KOSH correctly, in which it is logically
                   correct with full integrity, or we can tie it to hardware
                   considerations, for speed. Fleecy states that speed will
                   always increase, and he would rather get it right at the
                   beginning for the sake of speed rather than to hack and path
                   later on because we went for speed. Elegance through
                   simplicity, but elegance requires coherence and not
                   compromise.


j)

Subject: Questions on the future of KOSH

Summary of debate: The following important questions were raised:
                   How is the KOSH website coming along?
                   How is KOSH as a whole coming along?
                   To this end, which papers are written, how far have they
                   come, can they be reviewed?
                   Where can those who are doing nothing but writing to the
                   mailing lists help?


k)

Subject: Documentation and version control system

Summary of debate: Gabriel J. Hauber has volunteered to look at what has been
                   done so far in building the above and try to get it
                   completed in a reasonable time.


l)

Subject: Anyone know where Rudi is?

Summary of debate: If anyone has current contact details for Rudi please could
                   they post them to the General Mailing List.


m)

Subject: F-CPU

Summary of debate: An interesting project called F-CPU can be seen at:
                   http://f-cpu.tux.org/original/


n)

Subject: Query on the survey content

Summary of debate: The Surveying Working Group is unsure whether to ask people
                   whether alien file format support is desired or not. The
                   problem with asking is that (from a survey of the Surveying
                   WG it would seem!) half the people think it would worry
                   people that we looked like we weren't sure about it, while
                   the other half think it would reassure people that we were
                   thinking of it.

                   The Surveying WG does not want to just declare "we are
                   supporting alien file formats" as this should be left to a
                   survey. Therein lies the problem.

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KOSH [Kommunity Orientated Software Hardware]

Weekly Summary

Week Commencing: 10th April 1999

Number: 016

Mailing List: kosh-general

In the mailing list this week, the following items were discussed. Please do
not email the scribe regarding any of these topics, it is not his job to answer
these questions but merely to report  the topics of conversation. If you have
any queries about this summary, please email ben@kosh.net, stating the Summary
Number, and Mailing List Name, and he will try to answer your queries.

a)

Subject: Keyboards (continued)

Summary of debate: Suggested that a keyboard could have an LCD on each key
                   which could be programmable by the computer. Keymaps for
                   individual games and serious applications could then be
                   made. If the LCDs were like the Mac screens that appeared a
                   few years ago and only required power when the display on
                   one of the LCDs was altered then the power consumption
                   would be low. Presumably such a keyboard would initially
                   cost a lot.


b)

Subject: General "serial controlled device" class

Summary of debate: Suggested that the above could be used to control (for
                   example) the LEGO computer chip that recently appeared on
                   the market.

                   Another suggested use for something along these lines is a
                   landmine clearance robot - something that could greatly
                   reduce the risk to clearance personnel. This was described
                   in detail and noted that the cost of the system must be low
                   enough that people in developing countries can afford to
                   build and use their own units.


c)

Subject: Eye movement recognition systems

Summary of debate: It was asked how likely an eye recognition system for a home
                   computer will be in the near future at an affordable price.
                   Such a system could be used (for example) to control a
                   pointer on screen instead of a mouse.

                   A separate computer could power the pointing device. It
                   would be a sub-$1 microcontroller. The actual devices to
                   measure the position of the eye (what it is looking at and
                   what it is doing, eg: blinking) should come in at under $5.

                   It was pointed out that the entire device could be built
                   into glasses, however not everyone wears and/or would want to
                   wear glasses while using a computer.


d)

Subject: Crashes and recovery

Summary of debate: Some discussion was held on Windows and scandisk that
                   activates if a crash results. It was pointed out that even
                   though KOSH will be much more stable we should still have
                   repair utilities -just-in-case-.

                   However, these should be more intuitive that things like
                   scandisk and should, for instance, give the option to view
                   the result of a change before that change takes place.


e)

Subject: Web site expression list

Summary of debate: It was suggested that a database on a web page (presumably
                   somewhere at http://www.kosh.net) be setup that allows
                   people to add a word and an explanation to a list just by
                   mailing them to a particular location or by filling in a
                   form on the web site.

                   It was noted that there would have to be protection against
                   certain words and phrases to prevent abuse of this. Perhaps
                   a human would have to check all submissions before they
                   could be included.


f)

Subject: kosh-terminology-o Mailing List

Summary of debate: The above ML has been created by Jason Radford.
                   Email majordomo@kosh.net with the words "subscribe
                   kosh-terminology-o" in the body to subscribe.


g)

Subject: [KOSH] email prefix

Summary of debate: The prefix [KOSH] has been added to each message for easier
                   management of messages by those using shell accounts or
                   message filters.


h)

Subject: Daylight Saving Time

Summary of debate: It was noted that the 23 hour day in April and the 25 hour
                   day in the fall need to be represented in KOSH.

                   It was further noted that not everything goes on DST and
                   that most graphic systems aren't designed to handle a
                   missing or duplicated unit on a coordinate axis.

From: wegar@amc.cube.net (Toni Guenzel-Peltner)
Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.amiga.comm,de.comp.sys.amiga.misc,
Subject: Amiga ZConnect Point TheAnswer: Update verfuegbar
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:05:13 +0200

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                                                   München, am Mi 21.04.1999


Für  das ZConnect-Pointprogramm TheAnswer auf Amiga-Plattform ist ein neuer
Update verfügbar.

Er ist in der Support-Mailbox Amiga City München downloadbar:


V34        089/186469   (24h online)
X75/ISDN   089/12789031 (24h online)

Login: TA3SAUGER        (kein Passwort erforderlich)

Inhalt *                für Inhaltsverzeichnis
Lesen nr                Download der Nachricht mit der Nummer nr


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                    TheAnswerIII (Aktuell: Version 3.07 BETA)
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          Alle Änderungen seit der Version 3.06 sind NICHT in der
          Dokumentation.    Bis   zur   Erstellung   einer  neuen
          Dokumentation,  gilt  dieser  Text  als  Ergänzung  zur
                                 selbigen.
               Copyrights etc. siehe Original-Dokumentation


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                                  WARNUNG
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Dies  ist  eine  Betaversion.   Es  kann  durchaus  vorkommen,  daß  Fehler
auftreten.  Benutzung auf eigene Gefahr.

Ferner   ist  das  Paket  nur  ein  Update,  daß  lediglich  die  Programme
TheAnswerIII   und   TAConfig   enthält.    Das  TheAnswer  3.06-Paket  muß
vollständig  installiert sein, damit TheAnswer funktioniert.  Wer TheAnswer
noch  nicht  installiert  hat,  benötigt  das komplette 3.06-Paket.  Dieses
installieren  und  dann  die beiden Dateien TAConfig und TheAnswerIII durch
die  neuen  des  Updates  ersetzen.  Wer TheAnswer 3.06 bereits installiert
hat, ersetzt TAConfig und TheAnswerIII durch die neuen Dateien des Updates.
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                                  AUFRUF
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1. An alle eingetragenen Betatester und TA-Support-User:
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Bei  weiteren  Interesse,  bitte  mit aktueller E-Mail-Adresse melden.  Die
alten sind zu 70% veraltet und die Verständigungen zurückgekommen.

2. An alle Benutzer des 3.07-Pakets:
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Bitte  Fehler  und  Vorschläge  korrekt  über  das  Support-Pulldownmenü im
Sende-Menü erzeugen und versenden.

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        Zusammenfassung der neuen Features seit Version 3.06 R9.23:
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0. Ein paar Bugs beseitigt.

1.  Reperatur eines defekten Brettes möglich:
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Im   Inhaltsverzeichnis   des   Brettes   gibts  ein  neuen  Unterpunkt  im
Pulldown-Menü  "Sicherung".   Mit dem Menüpunkt "Inhalt nach Puffer" werden
alle   Nachrichten   des   Brettes  in  ein  Puferfile  sortiert.   Defekte
Nachrichten werden entfernt und in einem seperaten File abgelegt.

Der  so  erzeugte  Puffer  kann  wieder  einsortiert  werden.   Sofern  die
Indexeinträge   zur   Nachricht   ok   waren,   werden   auch  Status-Buts,
Einsortierungsdatum    etc.     erhalten.     Original-Empfänger    bleiben
unverändert.

2. Grafische Bezugsverkettung
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Es  gibt  einen  neuen Sortiermodi, den man im Bretteditor einstellen kann:
"Bezugsverkettung".    Die   Nachrichten   werden   daraufhin   nach  Ihrer
Bezugsverkettung  sortiert  und  ein  grafischer Bezugsbaum vor dem Betreff
dargestellt.   Die  Grundsortierung von Nachrichten ohne Bezug erfolgt nach
dem  Absendedatum,  ihre Bezüge folgen in ihrer logischen Reihenfolge unter
der "Haupt-Nachricht."
Diese Sortierung ist sehr langsam, im Vergleich zu den anderen.


Ausfürliche History:    Z-NETZ/ALT/SUPPORT/THEANSWER/MELDUNGEN
Aktueller Support:      Z-NETZ/ALT/SUPPORT/THEANSWER/ALLGEMEIN





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